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jdlea 07-03-2008, 11:36 AM The wizards are VERY athletic, and quite frankly, fun to watch, but they need a key player that can hit 50% of his shots.
Oh really, like the Celts?
Career FG%
Garnett: .494
Pierce: .464
Allen: .446
Last season:
Garnett: .539 (which is pretty ridiculous)
Pierce: .464
Allen: .445
Now, I see your point, but based on your assumptions that a player's career FG% suggests what he will do going forward, the Celts probably shouldn't have bothered acquiring both Allen and Garnett because they should have expected to have all of their guys below .500 FG% and, by your logic, not have won an NBA title.
That Guy 07-03-2008, 12:07 PM Oh really, like the Celts?
Career FG%
Garnett: .494
Pierce: .464
Allen: .446
Last season:
Garnett: .539 (which is pretty ridiculous)
Pierce: .464
Allen: .445
Now, I see your point, but based on your assumptions that a player's career FG% suggests what he will do going forward, the Celts probably shouldn't have bothered acquiring both Allen and Garnett because they should have expected to have all of their guys below .500 FG% and, by your logic, not have won an NBA title.
well, the problem is FG% varies widely between 3 point shooters and guys hiding under the basket. i mean, shaq is a .581 shooter, but he couldn't make a 3 to save his life, and often gets laughed at for his career .524% on free throws.
gil has a lower fg%, but i don't see how anyone could possibly call him a worse shooter when he can go 3/10 from his own backcourt.
that argument is bogus and dead in my eyes. i'll need to see something that's a bit more logical to prove he can't shoot.
jdlea 07-03-2008, 12:17 PM well, the problem is FG% varies widely between 3 point shooters and guys hiding under the basket. i mean, shaq is a .581 shooter, but he couldn't make a 3 to save his life, and often gets laughed at for his career .524% on free throws.
gil has a lower fg%, but i don't see how anyone could possibly call him a worse shooter when he can go 3/10 from his own backcourt.
that argument is bogus and dead in my eyes. i'll need to see something that's a bit more logical to prove he can't shoot.
I recognize this and, to your point, there's no way that KG is a better shooter than either Pierce or Allen (which demonstrates the ridiculousness of attempting to use FG% to evaluate a player), but I was merely trying to show him that, based on his own argument, one could make the case that the Celts made a bad move by grabbing 2 guys with a FG% below .500. I'm not saying that is a logical point, obviously if you can add Allen and Garnett to Pierce, you pull the trigger, but based on his logic, that wouldn't have happened. I was trying illustrate, with my post, that the use of FG% is ridiculous.
It's like trying to use RBI to evaluate a baseball player...it makes absolutely no sense. OPS or OPS+ are far better, people need to start embracing metrics.
SmootSmack 07-03-2008, 05:35 PM I can only hope your first paragraph comes true. Knowing the quirkiness of Gil, they probably offered him the max hoping it was just a sign of gratitude that he would kindly reject. Seeing these vets take less to win a ring seems to rub off on some of the opting out lately and we can only hope Gil sees the same thing.
I totally agree with you re: Blake. He was solid for Portland last season- excellent A:TO ratio and that's all you can really ask for in a PG. Arroyo ain't a bad option. The names you listed that we passed on for OPEC make me wince.
I loved Livingston out of high school- thought he'd change the game at his position. If we're offering Erasmus James money, I'd take a flyer... but that last knee injury looked career-ending.
I like that Jonathan Wallace has been invited to summer league play...but he may not be quick enough to play in the NBA.
itvnetop 07-03-2008, 09:13 PM I like that Jonathan Wallace has been invited to summer league play...but he may not be quick enough to play in the NBA.
The guy was the epitome of a heady player at point... I thought he was going to G-town law? I guess it's a good backup plan if things don't work out in summer league.
Well, it looks like Gil is signing for 16 million less. He did concede a bit, but I would have liked to have seen it around 105 total. I know the salary structures are different for the two players, but his contract is worth more per year than Chris Paul's new extension.
itvnetop 07-03-2008, 09:23 PM Actually, I take it back... I can't really hate on how much he settled for. Most players would have taken the entire thing- 16 is definitely nothing to sneeze at.
Hopefully, we'll be able to unload our two expirings next off-season for some immediate help.
FRPLG 07-03-2008, 09:49 PM OK I am in the tank for Arenas as a guy and think he is a great player so I guess I am biased but when was the last time a player got offered a max deal and turned it down to take less so the team could bring in some other guys? That is awesome. I hope his defense wasn't in that last 15 mil though.
SmootSmack 07-03-2008, 10:05 PM The guy was the epitome of a heady player at point... I thought he was going to G-town law? I guess it's a good backup plan if things don't work out in summer league.
Well, it looks like Gil is signing for 16 million less. He did concede a bit, but I would have liked to have seen it around 105 total. I know the salary structures are different for the two players, but his contract is worth more per year than Chris Paul's new extension.
I think he is deferring law school for a year, or at least he has the right to.
SmootSmack 07-03-2008, 10:06 PM I can only hope your first paragraph comes true. Knowing the quirkiness of Gil, they probably offered him the max hoping it was just a sign of gratitude that he would kindly reject. Seeing these vets take less to win a ring seems to rub off on some of the opting out lately and we can only hope Gil sees the same thing.
Well there you go :)
SmootSmack 07-03-2008, 11:27 PM What might be interesting is going after JC Navarro. He's a restricted free agent I believe. Without Pau, why would he want to stay in Memphis?
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