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freddyg12 08-13-2008, 03:50 PM He did put us in the playoffs twice, but we had to make 2 dramatic turn around's for that even to be possible. I Think we could of went a lot farther last year and we gave to many games away. Im not saying SB champs but we could of at least made it there. All i'm saying Hail Zorn.!!!!
Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.
Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.
firstdown 08-13-2008, 03:56 PM Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.
Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.
Well I think I could have left the team better off then what Gibbs inherited.
JWsleep 08-13-2008, 04:06 PM Well, needless to say, JZ is way more media-friendly than JG. Gibbs famously never trusted the media, and was relatively paranoid (as are many HCs in the NFL) about giving something away. My impression is that JG is pretty straight with his players and sees the media as an opposing team. Not a surprise to hear the media bitching.
But for all that, I think JLac does a good job. He blogs constantly and says what he thinks. But you can't say he's not a hard worker and that he's just phoning it in from a distance. So he's not a homer and sometimes, especially near the end of JGII, he let his annoyance with being treated like a cub reporter from some opposing team get the best of him. These guys are human--not everyone is a Boswell or a Povitch. But he's clearly pro-Zorn, as well as pro-Blatche, so I don't think that will be an issue now.
He applauds the team and the FO when the get it right and he does (on his blog at least) admit to errors, or so it seems to me. Not sure what else he's supposed to do.
If JG I had not happened, how many of us would have reacted like JLac to JG II (some on this site did!)? I think JG is one of the greatest coaches to ever lead a team in the NFL. But JG II was a bumpy ride, no doubt!
It's over, anyway. Can't change the past! We're in the Zorn era now. Let's hope the love-fest (and the wins!!!) continue.
redsk1 08-13-2008, 04:31 PM I'll always defend Joe Gibbs, but at the same time I do have some empathy for the media. People like to blame them for a lot, ironically just as people will blame coaches for a lot. Yet, it's fans like us that fuel the media & read every Skins insider column, and also watch the team faithfully, buy tickets, gear, etc. The media wouldn't have much to report if no one was reading & listening 24/7. But the fact is, we are.
That said, JLC does a great job, but I think at some point he was soured by the treatment he got from Danny & Vinny, and now it appears from Gibbs himself. I don't make too much of the statement he made in the email, it kinda translates as: "everybody knows Gibbs won't give you a straight up answer." We all know that, but that doesn't mean he lied to the media or anyone else, he just wanted to keep things in house. Again, we all know this, and there's nothing wrong with it! If by treating you like a "moron" you mean he doesn't give you much detail, well then consider yourself a moron!
If JLC was trying to show how Gibbs did something wrong, I'd say he pointed out a sin that amounts to less than being caught w/a hand in the cookie jar.
Good post. Some want to criticize JLC everytime he sais anything less than positive about the team. We haven't exactly been the model franchise in the last 15 years. I don't think he's overly negative. Sally Jenkins..overly negative and that's annoying.
WaldSkins 08-13-2008, 05:29 PM Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.
Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.
Totally agree
saden1 08-13-2008, 06:00 PM I am sorry but it's completely irresponsible not to ask LaCanfora the answer to question 3 when you get a chance to ask him a question.
That Guy 08-13-2008, 06:06 PM no offense, but this doesn't really seem like a big deal or totally untrue...
backrow 08-13-2008, 06:12 PM no offense, but this doesn't really seem like a big deal or totally untrue...
Let's see the record:
1. HOF Coach, Sainthood and HOF status bestowed after first edition.
2. Total Schmuck - writes total schmuck stuff.
I agree, not a big deal.
JWsleep 08-13-2008, 07:20 PM Here's my guess about JLac and the skins in the JG II era:
JLac walked into a pre-existing feud between the skins and Post. JG is not a friend of the press--he sees it as a bunch of spies and liars, pretty much. And the FO has been doing its best to control its media output. So they treat JLac like a cub reporter and have no problem blatantly misleading him, leaving him out of the loop, minimizing his access, etc. Is any of this incorrect? How would you react?
Meanwhile, JLac sets up his blog, which is one of the better sources of up-to-the-minute accurate skins news, IMO. Do y'all read redskins insider? My guess is you disagree with it from time to time, and find some of the coverage anti-skins for your taste, but you generally read it. Because it provides NEWS of the team, even among the opinion stuff. (And opinion is ok, IMO--it's a blog). And he does regular chats on the Post site. And the guy pretty reliably answers his emails and takes the job seriously. Is any of this incorrect?
Whatever. Don't like him, don't read him. I really do wonder why we skins fans have such a complex about the media. It's the friggin MEDIA, people! What do you expect? At what point did you form the nutty opinion that the media is 100% reliable, constrained to write what you agree with, inhumanely non-partial, etc? Newsflash: it's not. And if you think we've got it bad, try reading the dreck in NYC or Philly. Houston is ok, but IT'S BORING, sports-news-wise. I long for some "haters" at times just to shake things up.
(BTW, none of this applies to Sally Jenkins' skins coverage. She's off the radar. I do not read her. As Dorothy Parker once said, "Everything she writes is a lie, even 'and' and 'the'." Guess we all have our hatred. ;) )
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