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The issues gets brought up on a regular basis by, usually by Rep. Rangel or someone else. It always gets defeated and isn't considered a viable option by hardly any military experts.

The modern U.S. military isn't what is was back in WW2. The amount of training and time that goes into a U.S. soldier is astronomical. They don't just grab a few guys, show them which end of the gun to point toward the enemy and send them on their way. These guys are operating complex pieces of technology on a daily basis and require an incredible amount of training.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but reinstating the draft is VERY unlikely. It's usually brought up as a way to strike some fear into people so we don't get into a war or extend ourselves. Kind of along the lines of, "Oh, you want to go to war huh? How about we reinstate...the DRAFT!" And Rangel jumps out of a closet waving his arms...

First off, I am a U.S. Army veteran of nine years. Secondly, my last place of duty was as an intructor for Officer Basic Course... now known as Basic Officer Leaders Course. I am fully aware of the type of training that goes into turning a civilian into a soldier.

These topics (reinstituting the draft) were brought up while I was still in the military. While I felt that the force as a whole was overwhelmed, I never concured with reinstituting the draft. I was a Staff Sergeant in charge of volunteers, I never would want to see what a non volunteer Army looks like. Unfortunately in Vietnam that is what they had to deal with.

Bottom line: I was not defending the idea of the draft. I was just pointing out that it has been taken into consideration during this generation.

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Sabre rattling at it's best. What else is Russia supposed to say? "No big deal. We like having neighboring countries with missile launching and intercepting capabilities."

You mean sorta like the Cuban Missile Crisis? This is really serious...I wouldn't expect us to appreciate having "defensive" missiles in our back yard seeing how defense can turn into offense real quick...pick 6, Touchdown!

You mean sorta like the Cuban Missile Crisis? This is really serious...I wouldn't expect us to appreciate having "defensive" missiles in our back yard seeing how defense can turn into offense real quick...pick 6, Touchdown!

From dictionary.com:
sa·ber-rat·tling http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngPronunciation Key - [sey-ber-rat-ling]
–noun
a show or threat of military power, esp. as used by a nation to impose its policies on other countries.

Yeah, sorta like the Cuban Missile Crisis, which also was sabre-rattling at its best. I think after reading your post and re-reading mine that we are in agreement.

"Cease Fire, Cease Fire!" 2.0

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If I was Poland I would return those missiles and try to make peace with the Russians...god knows no one in this country or Europe cares about you.
I guess some of here in the U.S. care about Poland....

FOXNews.com - Russia Threatens Military Response if U.S., Poland Follow Through With Missile Defense Deal - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407262,00.html)

Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407262,00.html#) would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.
"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

I guess some of here in the U.S. care about Poland....

FOXNews.com - Russia Threatens Military Response if U.S., Poland Follow Through With Missile Defense Deal - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407262,00.html)

Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407262,00.html#) would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.
"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

I saw that earlier today and I couldn't help but chuckle. If Russia attacks Poland we're going to defend Poland? How? Sanctions? Militarily? With what? :doh:

This administration's retardation level never ceases to amaze. Remember kids, "In the 21'st century nations don't attack other nations." God bless America and no one else!

I can't believe Russia threatened nuclear force against Poland for accepting this deal. That just pisses me off.

I saw that earlier today and I couldn't help but chuckle. If Russia attacks Poland we're going to defend Poland? How? Sanctions? Militarily? With what? :doh:

This administration's retardation level never ceases to amaze. Remember kids, "In the 21'st century nations don't attack other nations." God bless America and no one else!

In 1999, President Clinton successfully lobbied for Poland's entry into NATO. So, we've been obligated to defend Polish soil as though it is our own for the last decade.

Also, Russia's military isn't what it was back in the late 1980s. Their naval and air forces are quite simply no match for ours. In any case, do you really think they would launch military attacks on Poland (where the U.S. maintains some forces)?

I saw that earlier today and I couldn't help but chuckle. If Russia attacks Poland we're going to defend Poland? How? Sanctions? Militarily? With what? :doh:

This administration's retardation level never ceases to amaze. Remember kids, "In the 21'st century nations don't attack other nations." God bless America and no one else!

First off, Russia is not going to invade Poland over this. But if they did...

Your lack of understanding of the United States military is astounding. We would easily overwhelm the Russians in defense of Poland if necessary, in concert with other NATO forces. Our air and naval capabilities are far superior. We can strike faster from more places through the air than anybody else in the world, by far.

Keep in mind, if Russia invaded Poland we wouldn't just send a ground troop force into Poland. We would send air strikes into the heart of Russia and take out strategic targets: communication systems, power plants, military bases, etcetera. We would cripple their home defenses and cut off any invading force within Poland. This would not be difficult for our Air Force.

Our ground forces are stretched a bit thin these days, but keep in mind we have about 1 million active service men and women. We have active ground forces located at bases in Germany and throughout other parts of Europe. In conjunction with NATO forces and our air attacks, we would be able to successfully defend Poland... and Russia knows it.

In 1999, President Clinton successfully lobbied for Poland's entry into NATO. So, we've been obligated to defend Polish soil as though it is our own for the last decade.

Also, Russia's military isn't what it was back in the late 1980s. Their naval and air forces are quite simply no match for ours. In any case, do you really think they would launch military attacks on Poland (where the U.S. maintains some forces)?


Their military isn't what it use to be and ours is so overstretched it's practically useless. What they do have is nukes, and as we know you don't attack countries with nukes, you negotiate with them. I do believe Russia would attack Poland because I seriously would if I were them. There's no way in hell I would let a neighboring country put "defensive" missiles in my backyard. It's a legitimate concern on their part just as it would be if we were in their shoes.