The Official Debate Thread (Round 1)

Watch it multiple times, he clearly does. Media has pointed it out too, saw it on Fox as well, if that makes you feel better hah.

It just kinda looked to me like he was wanting to interrupt with something, but stopped and it sounded odd. I am just not sure he would do such a thing so obvious as to cuss on a national stage like that.

[quote=saden1;481751]I still contribute in a meaningful way. Who else but me would bring you all those Palin videos?

You know, it's hard to get up for these threads when people in here are saying Palin is more qualified than Obama because she has executive experience. The level of intelligence and honesty has extremely declined with respect to the election related threads so why bother?

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain so much that everything he does or says agitates me. I will continue to harp on him. If anyone else wants to step up and harp on Obama be my guest.[/quot


This is what the dems have as a base. They rule out everything without an open mind.

Saden I just read your whole post and you need to keep faith in the system. Its not the best but it works. HIAL TO THE SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

obama had a really good commercial during the skins game btw... just him talking to the camera about his economic plan (available on his website barackobama.com/plan or something) and about trickle down economics hasn't really worked (which has been shown before).

no name calling, no mud slinging, and it seemed pretty genuine, so props for that.

is he really saying horse shit? what a dope

I'm sure he is.

Because we all know anything you see on YouTube is guaranteed 100% accurate and not capable of being doctored, altered or conveniently spliced together.

I'm sure he is.

Because we all know anything you see on YouTube is guaranteed 100% accurate and not capable of being doctored, altered or conveniently spliced together.
You are saying that CNN, MSNBC, and FOX, yes FOX altered their video and are lying? Also these networks showed this clips from their OWN footage, not on YouTube.

I love how Republicans can find all sorts of excuses for this, yet they are ready throw all sorts of YouTube links saying Obama should not be the president because he didn't put his arm over his heart during the anthem. It's pathetic.

I'll preface this post once again by stating my political affiliation since in this day and age arguments aren't judged by themselves but by the person making the argument: Long time Republican, thoroughly disgusted with and embarrassed by the Bush era. Frankly I don't like either one of these candidates, but I like Obama less and less and I've officially abandoned any and all hope for either aprt. I'll end up voting for whoever I feel is the lesser of the two evils at this point.

That being said, I agree the debate was pretty much a draw, but I would give the edge to Obama. In terms of what was said there was nothing surprising, just the usual talking points.

Where I think McCain lost ground was in his nonverbal behavior. He just came across as a cantankerous old man whereas I think Obama managed to project himself as a little more calm and a little more mature (oddly enough). I don't know what McCain's debate coaches are teaching him, but constant smirking and scoffing when your opponent is making a point just makes you look like a douchebag. Obama did a little of this, but not nearly to the extent as McCain. They'd be far more effective if, as their opponent is making a point, they would look him in the eye and look thoughtful and contemplative, rather than staring at the podium, the audience, or smirking the entire time.

Overall nothing surprising. Minor gaffes on both sides - I guess if the biggest news coming out of the debate is whether or not McCain muttered "horseshit" under his breath it was pretty much a non-event.

But hey, whatever helps the YouTube fodder. Any time we can get funny videos of Palin on here or someone to declare a candidate "a dope," I know this country is heading in the right direction.

You are saying that CNN, MSNBC, and FOX, yes FOX altered their video and are lying? Also these networks showed this clips from their OWN footage, not on YouTube.

I love how Republicans can find all sorts of excuses for this, yet they are ready throw all sorts of YouTube links saying Obama should not be the president because he didn't put his arm over his heart during the anthem. It's pathetic.

a) I'm not a Republican.

b) I've seen the footage and I agree, he probably is saying "horseshit" or some variant of it. Oh well. A presidential candidate cursed - stop the presses.

c) I'm not making any excuses for it. It is what it is - tacky debate tactics.

d) I'm not throwing up YouTube links for anything, and if I had to venture a guess I'd say that if anyone is throwing up YouTube links ad nauseum it would be the Democrats.

a) I'm not a Republican.

b) I've seen the footage and I agree, he probably is saying "horseshit" or some variant of it. Oh well. A presidential candidate cursed - stop the presses.

c) I'm not making any excuses for it. It is what it is - tacky debate tactics.

d) I'm not throwing up YouTube links for anything, and if I had to venture a guess I'd say that if anyone is throwing up YouTube links ad nauseum it would be the Democrats.

I guess I rushed to conclusion. My apologies. I also don't consider myself a Democrat, but would not consider myself a Republican at all. I have voted for both parties in the past. For the record, I consider myself a conservative in many aspects(small government, states rights, fiscally, etc), but socially I am liberal(pro-choice, selective social programs,environment, foreign policy, etc). I really seem my ideals in line with Jefferson and the original "Democrat-Republicans".

Also I do not particularly put much weigh into these videos. I dont think its a big deal he said shit, but if that Obama video is being debated we should talk about this.

Finally I dont think anything is wrong with the amount of Palin videos, because people need to know she is an idiot and a terrible candidate. I dont get a cheap laugh off those videos, they terrify me.

You are saying that CNN, MSNBC, and FOX, yes FOX altered their video and are lying? Also these networks showed this clips from their OWN footage, not on YouTube.

I love how Republicans can find all sorts of excuses for this, yet they are ready throw all sorts of YouTube links saying Obama should not be the president because he didn't put his arm over his heart during the anthem. It's pathetic.

One person put that video up in his sig. And I would venture to say 8 out of 10 Republicans here think it's an idiotic charge. It doesn't even remotely compare to all the Palin clips. Not even close

I guess I rushed to conclusion. My apologies. I also don't consider myself a Democrat, but would not consider myself a Republican at all. I have voted for both parties in the past. For the record, I consider myself a conservative in many aspects(small government, states rights, fiscally, etc), but socially I am liberal(pro-choice, selective social programs,environment, foreign policy, etc). I really seem my ideals in line with Jefferson and the original "Democrat-Republicans".

Also I do not particularly put much weigh into these videos. I dont think its a big deal he said shit, but if that Obama video is being debated we should talk about this.

Finally I dont think anything is wrong with the amount of Palin videos, because people need to know she is an idiot and a terrible candidate. I dont get a cheap laugh off those videos, they terrify me.

We're in agreement on quite a bit: small government is my biggest passion, along with state's rights and fiscal policy. I am however staunchly pro-life, but I lean to the "left" when it comes to a lot of social programs (though I wish they were managed better), the environment (as long as it's keeping in line with small government) and my views on foreign policy are forever changing. At this point I almost take foreign policy on a case-by-case basis rather than make broad sweeping statements. I see many situations where I wish we had just not stuck our nose in other people's business, and I also see many situations around the world with cases of rampant genocide and injustice where we sit back and do nothing and it seems like a real crime.

I would submit that there is probably a slight difference with McCain muttering "shit" and the flap over Obama not putting his hand on his heart. The Obama issue a lot of people (particularly those in the military) view as unpatriotic and a slight to a long standing U.S. tradition. McCain's situation here is one of debate etiquette or just being uncouth. Frankly I don't see either one of them as a huge deal, but I wouldn't necessarily equate them. I would be curious to know why Obama didn't put his hand on his heart in that particular instance. Maybe it slipped his mind, maybe he was distracted, maybe he had a torn rotator cuff, who knows.