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Well its not hard to see what happens when we get big goverment you just have to turn and look at CA. and the 20 bil in red tape they are now trying to deal with.

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 (http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/nov/19/health/chi-ap-factcheck-autos-labor) which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


Help corporate America, support Universal Health Care.
SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

Whatever union lover, next your going to tell me that any kid that shows up to an athletic event should get a trophy just for trying. Yeah that's a good way to teach work ethic, and pamper the lazy. I would love to see an union employee try to work in a non-union factory, the key word there is "work," you won't find that in any union dictionary. Then you will follow up with the education system needs to eliminate physical education just because little Johnny or little Suzy may not be as good as others and their feelings may be hurt...


Your incoherent babbling is pathetic. There are many not so kind words to describe you and I'm pretty confidant you've heard them all so I'll spare you from having to hear them again. Watch out for the cliff ahead genius.

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

Stop it dmek, everyone knows unions are anti-American. It's a communist tactic that will eventually destroy America. Along with the homosexuals and cap-and-trade of course.

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

I am not saying that the union wasn't needed at one time, I agree that a lot of the benefits and work environments that industrial America enjoys today is because of unions. At one point in time unions were needed and did a lot for the average worker. I will not deny that, but in my opinion unions do more harm than good. Oh and I have not only been in union plants but I did work in one before. So yes I did experience a union first hand...

Your incoherent babbling is pathetic. There are many not so kind words to describe you and I'm pretty confidant you've heard them all so I'll spare you from having to hear them again. Watch out for the cliff ahead genius.

Whatever, maybe I was wrong, maybe its not the union that will be the downfall of this country. The downfall of this country will be people like you with ideas like yours...

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.
Well when your talking about how hard they work for their money it helps if you have actually know someone working in an auto plant. I had several friends who worked at the loacal ford plant (now closed) and they will admitt over paid under worked. Yes sometimes they worked their butt off but most of the time they said the job was pretty easy and the longer you are their the easier it got.

Well when your talking about how hard they work for their money it helps if you have actually know someone working in an auto plant. I had several friends who worked at the loacal ford plant (now closed) and they will admitt over paid under worked. Yes sometimes they worked their butt off but most of the time they said the job was pretty easy and the longer you are their the easier it got.

This is true at my job too. In fact, it's true of most jobs and if it isn't you're. Saying they don't do anything is different than saying their job is not demanding. I know a lot of folks want to pay them $10 and they want to get paid their fair share.

This is true at my job too. In fact, it's true of most jobs and if it isn't you're. Saying they don't do anything is different than saying their job is not demanding. I know a lot of folks want to pay them $10 and they want to get paid their fair share.
My buddy is a good example of what the union does in the way of getting in the way. He was installing things into the dash of F150 trucks which kept him pretty busy. After some type of review done by the union his mgr informed him that he would now have two other guys doing this task. When he asked why the mgr said it had something to do with union regulations. So now he had 2 other guys doing a job that he was doing on his own. These were guys they had to higher and would guess that had to be a cost close to $200,000 a year on Ford. MY buddy tried to talk them into just paying him more if they thought he was over worked. Mgr said that would be great if the union would allow that.