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charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:33 PM Let me clarify something too.. I think JC could be a fine QB on another team or in another system. This offense just doesnt suit him. He has a slow release and doesnt read the defense quick enough. WCO has alot of minimal protection schemes so the running backs and fullbacks can catch passes.
djnemo65 12-01-2008, 08:36 PM Zorn has it right. Campbell has played average. He has not played bad. Other aspects of the team have been bad but not Campbell. I am surprised that this is even being discussed, although I shouldn't be.
And I'm not buying Campbell needs to adjust either. Earlier in the year when the entire offense was executing Campbell was being discussed as an MVP candidate. The problem is not the system, it's execution of that system. That is not a problem that can be blamed on Campbell. Not one bit. Charlie, what do all the guys you mentioned have in common? They are not having to win by themselves. Moreover,we have seen how average the aforementioned players can look when their teams get beat in other phases. To look at a few guys having success in their first year - admirably - and then somehow jump to Campbell needs to win games for us in spite of myriad breakdowns in other areas is crazy. Why don't you ask former Probowlers Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Bulger, or Carson Palmer about winning in spite of their teams' lines and receivers?
charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:36 PM No teams win with just a QB. Ask Marino. Even the colts offense a few years ago limped into the playoffs and played a different ballgame when bob sanders came back to shore up their D.
We can definitely win with Campbell. We just need a better team around him. Colt Brennan would not be anywhere near 7 wins right now. I don't know how long you've been watching football (in particular the redskins) but guys like Ryan and Flacco are coming into teams (falcons surprisingly) with excellent ground games and good defenses. Neither are winning their division either, and both have very similar records to the redskins...
but each of those teams are showing signs of improvement each week and the skins have the NFLs leading rusher. He takes 2 steps forward and 5 back alot.
JLW428 12-01-2008, 08:37 PM its real simple......without Portis, we would be well below a 500 team. Campbell cannot carry the team if he had to. He never has had to carry the team and hes not getting it done.
Okay, Portis is the heart of the offense (no argument there). However, it doesn't help Campbell much when Thrash, Kelly, Randle el, and Thomas drop his passes ALOT of the time - most of which would have sustained the drive with a first down. <-- Thats just what it looks like to me, I'd like to see the numbers to back it up, but I don't think I am very far off with that statement.
charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:39 PM Zorn has it right. Campbell has played average. He has not played bad. Other aspects of the team have been bad but not Campbell. I am surprised that this is even being discussed, although I shouldn't be.
And I'm not buying Campbell needs to adjust either. Earlier in the year when the entire offense was executing Campbell was being discussed as an MVP candidate. The problem is not the system, it's execution of that system. That is not a problem that can be blamed on Campbell. Not one bit. Charlie, what do all the guys you mentioned have in common? They are not having to win by themselves. Moreover,we have seen how average the aforementioned players can look when their teams get beat in other phases. To look at a few guys having success in their first year - admirably - and then somehow jump to Campbell needs to win games for us in spite of myriad breakdowns in other areas is crazy. Why don't you ask former Probowlers Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Bulger, or Carson Palmer about winning in spite of their teams' lines and receivers?
he has the tools around him. Im not saying Brennan is the answer, but the season is almost a wash, hes worth a look
charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:41 PM Okay, Portis is the heart of the offense (no argument there). However, it doesn't help Campbell much when Thrash, Kelly, Randle el, and Thomas drop his passes ALOT of the time - most of which would have sustained the drive with a first down. <-- Thats just what it looks like to me, I'd like to see the numbers to back it up, but I don't think I am very far off with that statement.
they do drop alot of balls(very correct there). all im saying with the playoffs picture looking dark why not take a look at what we have on the bench and not just at QB...in alot of positions
JLW428 12-01-2008, 08:43 PM he has the tools around him. Im not saying Brennan is the answer, but the season is almost a wash, hes worth a look
I really don't think the season is almost a wash. At 7-5? Come on man...
charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:46 PM I really don't think the season is almost a wash. At 7-5? Come on man...
only 2 teams are getting in from our divison...another loss of 2 and we are done. i would just like to see what Colt Brennan, Rob Jackson,Kelly,Devin Thomas and Fred Davis in place of yoder can do......Horton shocked us all,its worth a look.
JLW428 12-01-2008, 08:51 PM We can still lose one more game and be fine. At 10-6 we can win the NFC wildcard, with a few stars aligned right. Just look at last season.
charlielyons 12-01-2008, 08:52 PM We can still lose one more game and be fine. At 10-6 we can win the NFC wildcard, with a few stars aligned right. Just look at last season.
thats what im hoping for....but if not i hope zorn would take a look at our young guys to see what we have to prepare for the offseason.
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