Players cooling to Zorn

Players cooling to Zorn?
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I'm never sure how much to trust Pro Football Talk, but this doesn't seem far-fetched. It certainly seems to me that Zorn blames the players when things go wrong and has dodged responsibility himself, as if he wasn't the one who designed the offense and called all the plays.

When a coach talks about losing because of "execution," it's just a fancy way of saying: "Don't blame me, the players screwed up my perfect plans."

to me, that is OK to say. I dont know how many times we had a receiver open down field for a big play, and someone missed a block or missed the assignment and jason had to scramble, or dump it off. To me that is no executing correctly. there have been plays to be made that haven't been made due to lack of execution. I remember seeing Campbell rolling to his right against the Cowboys (i think) and cooley was wide open running across the middle, and he hit the dump off. that is execution, no a bad play call. However, Zorn has seemed to scale things back a bit just trying to get the team into a rythm and it just doesn't seem to be working. Hopefully we'll use cincy as the team to get the big play offense working and take some confidence into the next game.

I think the execution comments from Zorn come from stupid penalties once we get inside the other teams 30, or blowing an assignment and giving up a sack to move us out of feild goal range. Did anyone see the pre game show before the Giants game where the commentator (cant remember who -Howie?) laid out that in the last 5 games we had the most points called back due to penalties or we had the most first downs called back due to penalties during that time?

That is the lack of execution the coach is talking about - not the players effort. I wish I had a video of that comment but my jaw dropped. Hard to blame the coaches when we have a mental wall at the 30.

Lack of execution can also come from flawed schemes. Players can't execute when a linebacker and safety are overloading oneside of the line. A play call must be changed in that instance. The Ravens game is the first game I saw Zorn counteract this. This has been going on since the Pittsburgh game. I think he is a good coach just a first year coach is all.

Lack of execution can also come from flawed schemes. Players can't execute when a linebacker and safety are overloading oneside of the line. A play call must be changed in that instance. The Ravens game is the first game I saw Zorn counteract this. This has been going on since the Pittsburgh game. I think he is a good coach just a first year coach is all.


Great points I totally agree

I agree with Matty--find me a losing team that doesn't have this kind of issue. Find me a winning team that does.

Seems to me Zorn takes plenty of responsibility, but he certainly calls out players as well. Very different from Gibbs, who stuck to the "they played their guts out, I take the blame" line. This is growing pains. Zorn will get better at it, and players will either come around or pack their bags.

(All bets are off, of course, if Danny and Vinny meddle. And no one would be surprised if they do.)

Its no wonder the players react to the head coach the way they do. The coaching authority in this organization has never really been solid (except for Gibbs) and often times its been undermined. The players are smart enough to recognize that and will take their shots because they know that management is likely to side with them over the coaches. That's just the way this organization works and why they continue to be mediocre. The inmates are running the asylum.

yeah i think offensive guys who have been here for awhile like moss and portis have lost some confidence in the redskins organization to put together a real contender given our stretch of average. which in some way could be a good thing b/c it shows they have expectations of greatness and believe in each other as players, just getting frustrated that the pieces are there but the front office just cant seem to put the pieces together right.

i d rather have players strive for greatness and be disappointed when that greatness is not realized, then have players who come into a season with low expectations and dont get mad when they lose.

go skins!!

But if the players aren't executing whats wrong with saying it? He has never called out a player by name and is also quick to praise players when they do well. If professional athletes can't handle critisim then they probably aren't guys that are going to help you win.There's nothing wrong with drawing attention to screw-ups by the players. I just wish he was more forthcoming about his own mistakes and those of his coaching staff. I don't insist that Zorn be a clone of Joe Gibbs, but a little collective responsibility would be nice. If I had to choose a person to blame for our problems right now and the choices were Portis and Zorn, I wouldn't choose Portis.

Lack of execution can also come from flawed schemes. Players can't execute when a linebacker and safety are overloading oneside of the line. A play call must be changed in that instance. The Ravens game is the first game I saw Zorn counteract this. This has been going on since the Pittsburgh game. I think he is a good coach just a first year coach is all.Precisely. It's not Clinton Portis' fault that Zorn and Bugel decided it would be a good idea to match Geisinger one-on-one with Terrell Suggs.

I have no problem with coaches publicly criticizing players -- so long as they treat themselves and the entire coaching staff similarly. Either everyone gets criticized publicly [when they deserve it] or you go with the "we all lose together" mantra of Joe Gibbs. Publicly criticizing the players is only acceptable if coaches get the same.

And anyone who thinks the coaching doesn't deserve a decent share of the blame for the team's current problems isn't watching the games.

PFT is the NFL version of the National Enquirer. Who knows if Zorn lost the locker room but you will never determine that by reading PFT's fictional depictions.