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53Fan 12-20-2008, 11:28 PM This is what I really don't understand. Maybe someone can help me. I've read that Blache doesn't care about sacks that much. He wants his lineman to play run first. If this is true, why in the hell does he blitz so much? Isn't the point of blitzing mainly to sack the QB? Another thing. I understand that if you play the run first your sacks suffer. But on obvious passing downs, should'nt our d-line be getting more sacks. Obviously you don't play the run first in that situation. It's nice that our D is ranked #5, but to be near, or at, the top in the league in blitzes and near the bottom in sacks would tell me we better keep our safties and corners back because the chances of the QB getting the pass off are pretty good. I love defense and think I understand it pretty well but this puzzles me.
A10sROCK 12-21-2008, 12:10 AM the defense has played well this season. look at the stats.
The real question is whether Blache will stay past this season. He worked this year for the players. The REAL QUESTION is whether Blache will retire when this season is over.
My thought is that Blache will retire on his own.
Zorn will bring in another OC to replace himself. Danny Smith will be replaced. Danny Snyder will offer another shotgun to Blache but Vinny will need to find another DC.
Blache will leave on his own.
tryfuhl 12-21-2008, 06:51 AM Blache sometimes seems confused or stubborn in his schemes
tryfuhl 12-21-2008, 07:06 AM I think it's in the fine print that we're getting this debate. In my opinion, and I think skinsfan69's, if you have 1st and 10 and three plays later you're punting at 4th and 4 the fact that you just gained 6 yards is kinda moot. But for GTripp, that's 6 yards that the offense has moved the ball.
I am happy that you posted this because I was about to go back and read all of that shit.
tryfuhl 12-21-2008, 07:10 AM the defense has played well this season. look at the stats.
The real question is whether Blache will stay past this season. He worked this year for the players. The REAL QUESTION is whether Blache will retire when this season is over.
My thought is that Blache will retire on his own.
Zorn will bring in another OC to replace himself. Danny Smith will be replaced. Danny Snyder will offer another shotgun to Blache but Vinny will need to find another DC.
Blache will leave on his own.
Why wouldn't Zorn just hand it over to Sherman?
SmootSmack 12-21-2008, 11:05 AM I don't get what you are saying here.
Of course 6 yards is 6 yards. But that's also a three and out, which happens too infrequently with this team to say we are a top five defense. We do force a lot of punts, which is good, but not until the ball has gone too far down the field, which is bad.
You said there is absolutely no evidence that the offense has gone three and out on multiple occassions and failed to advance field position. I'm just trying to figure out why you would say that. Or maybe now the debate is over what you mean by "too infrequently"
SBXVII 12-21-2008, 11:20 AM You said there is absolutely no evidence that the offense has gone three and out on multiple occassions and failed to advance field position. I'm just trying to figure out why you would say that. Or maybe now the debate is over what you mean by "too infrequently"
I may be totally off here but I thought he meant to say frequently. cause it happens all the time. 3 and out. Infrequently would mean it does not happen all that often ...right?
skinsfan69 12-21-2008, 12:13 PM I think it's obvious that both sides of the ball have their own issues to correct. And both have declined in the past nine games. I think the offense has declined further, because the offense had further to decline than the defense did.
I'm sorry for not admiting when I'm wrong after clearly proving myself right. You're probably looking at me as some arrogant prick right now. I'm okay with that.
But your claim that I'm wrong is that I'm OVERanalyzing stuff. You aren't even reading what I have to write. And that's why you aren't learning anything here.
We are simply not great at preventing points. That's not overanalyzing things at all. You cannot have read my post and still deny this. Eleven teams are better at keeping teams out of the end zone than we are. That is the very most basic measure of defense. Our offense isn't scoring enough touchdowns, given. But that's not the whole story, and if you think it is, then I probably had more respect for you as a poster than I should have.
If PPG is enough for you to feel like you know that we don't have an issue at preventing points, then whatever. Bottom line is that we are a 7-7 defense, and we need to get better to be a force in the playoffs next year. I think you know this.
Realize that:
You said that the offense goes three and out way too much (I assume compared to an average team).
You were wrong when you said this.
I told you that you were wrong.
I am not to blame for you being wrong, like you seem to believe I am. It is not my fault you did not know that our offense converts a 1st and 10 into another 1st and 10 two thirds of the time.
The fact that you refuse to read anything I write doesn't make your statement any less wrong.
I will not be apologizing for correcting you, simply because you don't want to admit that you were wrong.
I don't think you're a prick. I just thing you act like you a Mr. Know It All just cause you spend countless hours breaking down film and studying stats. Just cause you take the time to do this, you think your opinion is what matters. Then you get defensive when someone challenges you on it. You get defensive if I say other people who have played in the NFL and know more about football than you (or I) say the defense is not the main problem.
Ruhskins 12-21-2008, 01:09 PM I think people on this board probably feel that our defense should be like the Ravens D, a defense that carries a team and wins games for them. I don't think our defense is like that and people expect too much out of it. Because of our offense, our defense right now keep us in a game for 3 quarters, but fizzles out in the 4th. For the umpteenth time I will say this: a lot of the problems in defense would be solved if the offense was able to: cut down in 3 and outs, score more points, and win the TOP battle.
Now, does our defense has its problems? Yes. Could they fix a lot of things? Yes. But they are not the only reason or the main reason why this team is failing. When the offense starts to keep the ball, score points, capitalize on good plays by the defense (key stops, INTs, fumble recoveries), and actually doing their fair share of the work, then you can criticize the defense if the team keeps losing.
I think people on this board probably feel that our defense should be like the Ravens D, a defense that carries a team and wins games for them. I don't think our defense is like that and people expect too much out of it. Because of our offense, our defense right now keep us in a game for 3 quarters, but fizzles out in the 4th. For the umpteenth time I will say this: a lot of the problems in defense would be solved if the offense was able to: cut down in 3 and outs, score more points, and win the TOP battle.
Now, does our defense has its problems? Yes. Could they fix a lot of things? Yes. But they are not the only reason or the main reason why this team is failing. When the offense starts to keep the ball, score points, capitalize on good plays by the defense (key stops, INTs, fumble recoveries), and actually doing their fair share of the work, then you can criticize the defense if the team keeps losing.
I happen to think it'd be easier to improve the defense though.
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