A Different Take on the Redskins Personnel Strategy

dont know why they picked any recievers at all unless they WERE looking to the future. wide outs never produce there first year unless you are randy moss.

Or DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal or Donnie Avery.....

Or DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal or Donnie Avery.....

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

I wish we had the complimentary pieces that would allow us to use Moss out of the slot more often. That's what makes Welker so dangerous.

And Steve Smith is possibly the best weapon in the league right now. The guy is flat out amazing.

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

Agreed. Talent evaluation is the problem.
Our FO drafted two WR's that did care enough to show up in shape to their first camp. That is why they slipped in the draft and were slow to develop. Not a good sign. I question are they the the type of dedicated athlete we want? Will they work hard in the future to improve?

With all of the injuries on the OL, I am really surprised and disappointed rookie Guard Chad Rinehart has not played more. He was a 3rd round draft pick, a relatively high pick. He could not outplay Jason Fabini? What does that say about what Rinehart is showing the coaches in practice? Stephon Heyer was started as a rookie last year over Fabini. Why is Rinehart not on the field and why hasn't he beaten out Fabini?
Justin Tyron, Durant Brooks....not good.
Chris Horton is the only draft pick that has looked good on an NFL field.
I know it is early, but so far not a good draft class.

Agreed. Talent evaluation is the problem.
Our FO drafted two WR's that did care enough to show up in shape to their first camp. That is why they slipped in the draft and were slow to develop. Not a good sign. I question are they the the type of dedicated athlete we want? Will they work hard in the future to improve?

With all of the injuries on the OL, I am really surprised and disappointed rookie Guard Chad Rinehart has not played more. He was a 3rd round draft pick, a relatively high pick. He could not outplay Jason Fabini? What does that say about what Rinehart is showing the coaches in practice? Stephon Heyer was started as a rookie last year over Fabini. Why is Rinehart not on the field and why hasn't he beaten out Fabini?
Justin Tyron, Durant Brooks....not good.
Chris Horton is the only draft pick that has looked good on an NFL field.
I know it is early, but so far not a good draft class.

Tryon and Brooks were certainly pretty bad picks.

Thomas has struggled to learn the offense, but Malcolm Kelly has had to deal with his knee injury. I do however put that one on the front office. We knew his knee was a red flag before we ever drafted him.

Chad Reinhart has been a disappointment. He hasn't even suited up for a game yet, and it's not like there's a huge learning curve on the O-line when transitioning from rookie to pro. Rookie O-lineman contribute all the time in the NFL - undrafted Stephon Heyer last year is a case in point. You can't label Reinhart a bust after one year, but the fact that we've had a line riddled with injuries and he still hasn't played a single snap... not good at all.

Tryon and Brooks were certainly pretty bad picks.

Thomas has struggled to learn the offense, but Malcolm Kelly has had to deal with his knee injury. I do however put that one on the front office. We knew his knee was a red flag before we ever drafted him.

Chad Reinhart has been a disappointment. He hasn't even suited up for a game yet, and it's not like there's a huge learning curve on the O-line when transitioning from rookie to pro. Rookie O-lineman contribute all the time in the NFL - undrafted Stephon Heyer last year is a case in point. You can't label Reinhart a bust after one year, but the fact that we've had a line riddled with injuries and he still hasn't played a single snap... not good at all.

You know what really frustrates me about this FO is Tyron is still on our roster. We can not even put him on the field he is so bad. Why are we wasting our time with him.
I would rather take a chance and steal another talented player off another teams developmental list. This is the time to do that. Maybe a young lineman?

You know what really frustrates me about this FO is Tyron is still on our roster. We can not even put him on the field he is so bad. Why are we wasting our time with him.
I would rather take a chance and steal another talented player off another teams developmental list. This is the time to do that. Maybe a young lineman?

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

I agree. When certain players are making the roster because of where they are drafted instead of the level of their play on the field, we are going to fail as a team Our FO is slow to cut their loses with certain players is they do not want to admit they were wrong for drafting them. Durant Brooks sucked in preseason, but yet he made the team.

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

With regards to Tryon I think there is a lot of ego involved with this one. They spent a moderately valuable draft pick on the guy and I think that means they are going to give him more of a window of opportunity than a guy like Torrence, who is probably a better player. I think that is sort of the way things go in the NFL...

I really don't mean to sound like a butthole....but are you not saying the same things we all have been saying all along? At the begginning many said it was not going to be a "rebuilding" year but a transitional year cause the team had to learn a new offense. Many said the team would be 8-8 or 9-7. I myself always predict high at my wonderful 10-6. Although a lot of fans wanted lineman there were others such as myself who said we needed taller WR's. We got them. Many said don't expect to much from them cause it usually takes 2-3 yrs for a rookie WR to learn how to play in the pros. Which is why I wanted CJ. but I'm happy to have two young WR's for our future.

Many said the lines were to old and the average age was 29. We need youth. younger faster healthier linemen on both sides of the ball.

Many said including myself that it would take atleast 2-3 yrs to learn a new offense. Many of us have been slamming Zorn for his lack of putting the new guys on the field but every once in a while we hear how one of the rookies was supposed to zig and they zagged or basically went the wrong way or to deep or not deep enough. which basically proves Zorn was right when saying the rookies don't have all the plays down. Now the question is who's fault is it. or is there any possible way instead of giving them the whole play book and saying learn it the team could have given them 10 or 20 plays a piece and told them to learn them inside and out. Then inserted them periodically to use those plays.

...again not to be a butthole but all this was said and expected, but for what ever reason our high expectations got the better of us along with the teams success. but there are things I'm not seeing that worry me. ...Like Zorn not adjusting during games or during the season when teams figured out what he was doing and tried to counter it ,successfully I might add. Will Zorn give us more of the same...here's my game plan win lose or draw I'm sticking with it or will he learn to adjust during games?

I don't think there is anything wrong with sharing your perspective. I certainly don't take offense at anyone saying "Hey - isn't this what we've all been saying?"

However, my general impression from reading articles in the mainstream media as well as grooming through threads in this forum was a great deal of negativity and scrutiny of many of the Redskins moves since Gibbs left.

I was just trying to say, "Let's all take a collective breath and put things in perspective," but trying to define why we should put things in perspective and keep some optimism about this team moving into next season.