A Different Take on the Redskins Personnel Strategy

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Drift Reality
12-27-2008, 04:41 PM
I agree with 98% of the rest of your thread, but the FA acquitions seem a bit much. I suspect we will be players, but that quantity seems a bit high.

I think the B&G will be more fiscally responsible than what you have posted.

You might be right. I think a lot will depend on the market. If Springs and Washington do come off the books however that does open up about 15m in space. I think they will acquire at least one player on the defensive front seven.

A linebacker who can blitz and play on the line in nickel situations like Terrell Suggs or Dansby might be sufficient to address the one seeming deficiency on the defensive side of the ball.

Skins4L
12-27-2008, 07:14 PM
You might be right. I think a lot will depend on the market. If Springs and Washington do come off the books however that does open up about 15m in space. I think they will acquire at least one player on the defensive front seven.

A linebacker who can blitz and play on the line in nickel situations like Terrell Suggs or Dansby might be sufficient to address the one seeming deficiency on the defensive side of the ball.

I agree. Either would be a nice pickup and be effective. Im thinking...D Line though...over LBs at this point. But if we nabbed either of the players you named id be nearly as happy.

SBXVII
12-27-2008, 08:14 PM
Or DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal or Donnie Avery.....


Two words. ...Stan Hixon.

SBXVII
12-27-2008, 08:23 PM
^ that was me trying to be funny. Our WR have produced little in 5yrs. Moss is our only go to guy and seems to catch a pounding every year. No one else produces and to think ARE is a viable #2 is comical. Our problem is part players part coaching. Look at Coles. He caught a ton with the Jets comes to us and is put on the back burner for our run first offense. He leaves and is a scoring machine. Look at Lloyd. Did Ok in San Fran but became a problem. Came to us and hardly saw the field. Why? He goes to Chicago and does better then here. Why? Stan "the man" Hixon needs to go back to the college level where he was a master and the Skins need to find a viable "NFL" WR's coach.

I truely believe next year we will be better. Hopefully Zorn evaluates the players as well as himself and sees what and who is worth keeping for his offense to work. Hopefully Zorn finds a way to "adjust" during games and seasons and we will be set.

Is that positive enough?

The Goat
12-27-2008, 08:35 PM
^ that was me trying to be funny. Our WR have produced little in 5yrs. Moss is our only go to guy and seems to catch a pounding every year. No one else produces and to think ARE is a viable #2 is comical. Our problem is part players part coaching. Look at Coles. He caught a ton with the Jets comes to us and is put on the back burner for our run first offense. He leaves and is a scoring machine. Look at Lloyd. Did Ok in San Fran but became a problem. Came to us and hardly saw the field. Why? He goes to Chicago and does better then here. Why? Stan "the man" Hixon needs to go back to the college level where he was a master and the Skins need to find a viable "NFL" WR's coach.

I truely believe next year we will be better. Hopefully Zorn evaluates the players as well as himself and sees what and who is worth keeping for his offense to work. Hopefully Zorn finds a way to "adjust" during games and seasons and we will be set.

Is that positive enough?

YES!!! Couldn't agree more w/ you bro. When half your WR corp can't run proper routes and the other half (the vets) can't get open consistently, when every WR experiences the dropsies, then yeah the WR coach needs to go. Hopefully Zorn has someone great in mind cause I truly believe aside from an infusion of young talent along the o-line it's our WR performance holding this offense back.

Sonny9TD
12-28-2008, 09:33 AM
Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

This is true.

BigHairedAristocrat
12-29-2008, 02:50 PM
I think we will address our lines primarily in FA and use the draft to address our LB situation.

in a 4-3 defense, you can get by with just about anybody at LB if you have a dominant defensive line and secondary. Here is how i see our FA and draft playing out:

TRADE carlos Rogers for a 2nd round pick.
CUT Washington, Smoot, Taylor, Griff (yes, i think we keep Springs).
I also dont think we will count on McIntosh being a starter next year. This leaves us with the following STARTING NEEDS on defense in 2009:

1DT, 1DE, 2LB, #2/3CB

I also think we will see replacements for starters with players not currently on our roster at RT and C (Rinehart will replace Kendal at LG).

So that means our team will need 7 new starters (with players not currently on our roster) next year. here is how i think we will fill them:

Free Agency:
DT - Haynesworth will be the only "huge" FA signing. If we can't land him, I think we go with someone like Shaun Cody.
DE - Chris Canty is a good fit here. He won't break the bank and will be an upgrade over Taylor.
CB - Chris Gamble
OT - Mark Tauscher - Replaces Jansen immediately

Draft:
1st Round - Best OLB available. He will be a starter on opening day.
2nd Round - Best C Available. This guy will be our starter. I know we dont have a 2nd round pick, but i'm assuming we can get a 2nd rounder for Carlos Rogers from someone.
3rd Round - Best LB available. He will compete with McIntosh for the starting spot.

GMScud
12-29-2008, 02:56 PM
BigHair- Gamble signed a phat contract with Carolina a few weeks ago to my dismay. I liked the idea of him as well.

And Tauscher is the same age/mileage as Jansen. Not sure how much of an upgrade he'd be.

Drift Reality
12-30-2008, 11:19 AM
I think we will address our lines primarily in FA and use the draft to address our LB situation.

in a 4-3 defense, you can get by with just about anybody at LB if you have a dominant defensive line and secondary. Here is how i see our FA and draft playing out:

TRADE carlos Rogers for a 2nd round pick.
CUT Washington, Smoot, Taylor, Griff (yes, i think we keep Springs).
I also dont think we will count on McIntosh being a starter next year. This leaves us with the following STARTING NEEDS on defense in 2009:


One thing I would say here is that I really believe that cutting all the veterans you mention would have a negative net impact on the locker room. I am a firm believer that the Redskins do have a solid locker room and veteran leadership. I think there are some clear cases of performance/compensation issues with the veterans you mention however I'd be wary of doing a complete hack job.

BrunellMVP?
12-30-2008, 11:38 AM
The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

guys we've been talking for YEARS about how long it takes WRs to progress...how many times did we hear that THIS was the year Taylor Jacobs was going to dominate? Mike Westbrook? Desmond Howard? Albert Connell? McCants? Mix? Gardner (was good)? Of course its too early to label the WR class of 2008 a bust (just as it was with the other guys), but at some point in the near future, the walks like a duck, talks like a duck test must be implemented...

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