Seems like Cutler might be available.

No, we can't afford him with our other pressing positional needs. Plus we are cap restrained with our high payroll.

The problem isn't that we cant afford him it's that QB isn't a need and we need to let JC have a final chance for ust to determine whether he's our QB of the future.

The problem isn't that we cant afford him it's that QB isn't a need and we need to let JC have a final chance for ust to determine whether he's our QB of the future.

this will be campbells 5th nfl season and third as a full time starter. he played significantly his 2nd season. for the past 4 years hes improved in some areas while remaining stagnant in others. every year, theres a new excuse made for his lack of becoming the elite pro-bowl quarterback we thought he would be when we drafted him. do we really have to make him play out his entire contract before acknowledging that we made a mistake?... before we accept the fact he's just another trent dilfer?

at some point, when you make a bad decision, you have to cut your losses, get what you can for a player (ie trade him) and move on. committing to campbell another year only ensures we let campbell go without compensation and sets us back another year when it comes to finding a long term solution at quarterback.

sticking to jc another year is no different than mopping the decks on the titanic. weve invested too much him already. its time to "abandon ship"

this will be campbells 5th nfl season and third as a full time starter. he played significantly his 2nd season. for the past 4 years hes improved in some areas while remaining stagnant in others. every year, theres a new excuse made for his lack of becoming the elite pro-bowl quarterback we thought he would be when we drafted him. do we really have to make him play out his entire contract before acknowledging that we made a mistake?... before we accept the fact he's just another trent dilfer?

at some point, when you make a bad decision, you have to cut your losses, get what you can for a player (ie trade him) and move on. committing to campbell another year only ensures we let campbell go without compensation and sets us back another year when it comes to finding a long term solution at quarterback.

sticking to jc another year is no different than mopping the decks on the titanic. weve invested too much him already. its time to "abandon ship"Just ran a very simple regression equation on Campbell using only his prior stats, and of course, assuming 16 starts.

Campbell 09 - 350/557, 3790 yds, 17 TDs, 9 INTs

Yards per Attempt = 6.8
Completion Pecentage = 62.8%

Sacks taken = 31
QB Rating = 86.2

This, of course, assumes the quality of offense around him is on par with the average offense he's had over the past 3 years, which is to say, very sucky.

Abandon ship!

Trade Cutler? George deal in 1994 provides warning - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11945847?source=rss)

wow, hadn't thought of that. If that's the case, the danny must love him!

Before we say he's another Trent Dilfer, can I at least point out that Dilfer never, not once, ever had a season nearly as good as Campbell had last year at age 26?

Yeah I really don't get the comparison to Dilfer either.

this will be campbells 5th nfl season and third as a full time starter. he played significantly his 2nd season. for the past 4 years hes improved in some areas while remaining stagnant in others. every year, theres a new excuse made for his lack of becoming the elite pro-bowl quarterback we thought he would be when we drafted him. do we really have to make him play out his entire contract before acknowledging that we made a mistake?... before we accept the fact he's just another trent dilfer?

at some point, when you make a bad decision, you have to cut your losses, get what you can for a player (ie trade him) and move on. committing to campbell another year only ensures we let campbell go without compensation and sets us back another year when it comes to finding a long term solution at quarterback.

sticking to jc another year is no different than mopping the decks on the titanic. weve invested too much him already. its time to "abandon ship"

First off, I don't think Joe Gibbs looked at him as that, he just saw a kid of solid character & athletic ability that he could win with, as he had w/3 qb's in his first stint in DC.

Second, the excuses point to a much larger problem; everybody on the team has had to adjust to new systems under the danny. Let's face it, the skins haven't been a stable organization, and even under Gibbs, they brough in Saunders. Do you think Brunell adopted to Saunders offense well? I don't. At some point there has to be one system to build on, then judge the qb.

I believe the offense changed later in the year when Zorn started putting in more 4 wr sets w/an empty backfield. Even then, I don't think JC choked under pressure, I just think our O wasn't good enough to hang w/the big boys. He took a serious beating against Pitt.

this will be campbells 5th nfl season and third as a full time starter. he played significantly his 2nd season. for the past 4 years hes improved in some areas while remaining stagnant in others. every year, theres a new excuse made for his lack of becoming the elite pro-bowl quarterback we thought he would be when we drafted him. do we really have to make him play out his entire contract before acknowledging that we made a mistake?... before we accept the fact he's just another trent dilfer?

at some point, when you make a bad decision, you have to cut your losses, get what you can for a player (ie trade him) and move on. committing to campbell another year only ensures we let campbell go without compensation and sets us back another year when it comes to finding a long term solution at quarterback.

sticking to jc another year is no different than mopping the decks on the titanic. weve invested too much him already. its time to "abandon ship"

So you think bringing in a brand new QB (with questionable character) to learn Zorn's offensive is the best option? I would agree with you if JC had been in the same system for the past three years, but he hasn't (yet still he did a good job last year).

It's funny that you mention that he's been in the league for 5 years, b/c if Gibbs had taken a risk with him, he'd be more developed as a QB right now, instead he went with Brunnel. Granted, Gibbs wanted to win right away and worked better with veteran QBs. It's funny though that a lot of people mention that the team needs to groom young players, and well Gibbs missed the opportunity to groom Campbell (make him a starter during his second season instead of the third).

Personally I don't think 3 new offenses in 4 years is an excuse. The reality of it is it's tough to get comfortable as a young QB if you're always learning a new system every offseason.

I'd love to see an example of a QB who has gone through what JC has in regard to system changes and didn't struggle.

Personally I don't think 3 new offenses in 4 years is an excuse. The reality of it is it's tough to get comfortable as a young QB if you're always learning a new system every offseason.

I'd love to see an example of a QB who has gone through what JC has in regard to system changes and didn't struggle.Campbell didn't.

I mean, that was my one example :D

The notion that Jason Campbell isn't a franchise QB is kind of absurd. We won't know for sure until we get him some protection and develop some weapons and then see if his production reaches pro-bowl levels. Within reason, that could be in 2009, but no Quarterback since Tim Couch has ever busted out of the NFL while playing as well as Campbell did last season, and with Couch, there was a mitigating circumstance (his elbow developed chronic issues right at the time he hit the market).