How Low Can It Go?

Evary time now I turn on the News they are talking about another one of Obama's new plans for America. I starting to think this ssaying could be my new slogan for him "Jack of all trades and the master of none".

A MoveOn.org Political Action ad plays the partisan blame game with the economic crisis, charging that John McCain’s friend and former economic adviser Phil Gramm “stripped safeguards that would have protected us.” The claim is bogus. Gramm’s legislation had broad bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Clinton. Moreover, the bill had nothing to do with causing the crisis, and economists – not to mention President Clinton – praise it for having softened the crisis.

A McCain-Palin ad, in turn, blames Democrats for the mess. The ad says that the crisis “didn’t have to happen,” because legislation McCain cosponsored would have tightened regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But, the ad says, Obama "was notably silent" while Democrats killed the bill. That’s oversimplified. Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, did not bring the bill forward for a vote. And it’s unclear how much the legislation would have helped, as McCain signed on just two months before the housing bubble popped.

In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan.
taken from factcheck.org. plenty of blame to go around. lets get past that, and hope Pres. Obama, or someone, makes it right

A MoveOn.org Political Action ad plays the partisan blame game with the economic crisis, charging that John McCain’s friend and former economic adviser Phil Gramm “stripped safeguards that would have protected us.” The claim is bogus. Gramm’s legislation had broad bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Clinton. Moreover, the bill had nothing to do with causing the crisis, and economists – not to mention President Clinton – praise it for having softened the crisis.

A McCain-Palin ad, in turn, blames Democrats for the mess. The ad says that the crisis “didn’t have to happen,” because legislation McCain cosponsored would have tightened regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But, the ad says, Obama "was notably silent" while Democrats killed the bill. That’s oversimplified. Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, did not bring the bill forward for a vote. And it’s unclear how much the legislation would have helped, as McCain signed on just two months before the housing bubble popped.

In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan.
taken from factcheck.org. plenty of blame to go around. lets get past that, and hope Pres. Obama, or someone, makes it right

Good post.

yeah, the say at times like these the rich get richer, the poorer get poorer.

Im losing aprrox. 4k every 3 mos on my 401k. given that i am hesitant to throw any of my non-401k savings into the market. i really just dont know what to do right now.

should i take my savings and invest in some cheap but well known producing stock?

should i buy a new home (tax & penalty free as 1st time home buyer) by clearing out my 401k just so i dont continue to lose 3-4k every quarter?

im feel kinda screwed right now. i could have bought a house with no money down like every one else and have the fed bail me out b/c i dont know how to live within my means. But no, i played it smart, saved up enough to put 10-25% down so i wouldnt over-extend myself. now my 401k has been chopped in half and i am not in a good position to buy a home . . all these people who had no business thinking they could afford a home but did anyway may very well get "bailed out" . . . while i saved up only to have my life savings cut in half and still dropping.

i say the dow doesnt drop below 5800, no way it can go lower than that i hope.

go skins!!

i just started a foliofn account... you can use it for retirement accounts or disposable cash, but its like a super low fee mutual fund where you choose your own stocks (or you can leave retirement money as straight cash in there)... they have pre-made investment strategies that including bear market funds (which are short sale stocks that go up when the market goes down, and go down when the market goes up)...

the fact that you can trade in and out of positions without having to take tax hits or rollover paperwork or whatever is nice though.

of course, trading inside your retirement account without research or whatnot isn't necessarily a good idea, but being able to pick individual stocks instead of mutual funds has saved me some money during the downturn.

A MoveOn.org Political Action ad plays the partisan blame game with the economic crisis, charging that John McCain’s friend and former economic adviser Phil Gramm “stripped safeguards that would have protected us.” The claim is bogus. Gramm’s legislation had broad bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Clinton. Moreover, the bill had nothing to do with causing the crisis, and economists – not to mention President Clinton – praise it for having softened the crisis.

A McCain-Palin ad, in turn, blames Democrats for the mess. The ad says that the crisis “didn’t have to happen,” because legislation McCain cosponsored would have tightened regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But, the ad says, Obama "was notably silent" while Democrats killed the bill. That’s oversimplified. Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, did not bring the bill forward for a vote. And it’s unclear how much the legislation would have helped, as McCain signed on just two months before the housing bubble popped.

In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan.
taken from factcheck.org. plenty of blame to go around. lets get past that, and hope Pres. Obama, or someone, makes it right

Hey we agree on something. Whats done is done and pointing fingers will not help but we are all pretty guilty of doing that and its too much fun to stop now. Its not like we will post something here that will have any affect on anything.

Can we please acknowledge that the economy was going great until the Democrats took over Congress?

You should. It's a fact.

So is it Obama or the Dems? Make up your mind.

The housing market started slipping, financial service companies over-leveraged themselves, Lehman went under, credit swaps, AIG ect ect.

A MoveOn.org Political Action ad plays the partisan blame game with the economic crisis, charging that John McCain’s friend and former economic adviser Phil Gramm “stripped safeguards that would have protected us.” The claim is bogus. Gramm’s legislation had broad bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Clinton. Moreover, the bill had nothing to do with causing the crisis, and economists – not to mention President Clinton – praise it for having softened the crisis.

A McCain-Palin ad, in turn, blames Democrats for the mess. The ad says that the crisis “didn’t have to happen,” because legislation McCain cosponsored would have tightened regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But, the ad says, Obama "was notably silent" while Democrats killed the bill. That’s oversimplified. Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, did not bring the bill forward for a vote. And it’s unclear how much the legislation would have helped, as McCain signed on just two months before the housing bubble popped.

In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan.
taken from factcheck.org. plenty of blame to go around. lets get past that, and hope Pres. Obama, or someone, makes it right


Best post in this thread!

Best post in this thread!


FactCheck.org: Who Caused the Economic Crisis? (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html)

thanks for posting the link 70. some reason i couldn't get it to work

FactCheck.org: Who Caused the Economic Crisis? (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html)

{Ahem} Best post/link in this thread! I really wonder how many people in the country truly realize that the blame is widespread amongst individuals, groups, organizations and companies? My guess is less than 1%. Home team mentality is a blight on the advancement of civilization. Sports entertainment excluded, of course.