Wanted: Playmakers

A team can surely win with Jason Campbell or a Trent Dilfer but, you have to make sure other attributes of the team make up for the lack of risk taking.

Hey bro, superbowls are one by a TEAM not a QB.
You can't rob Peter to pay Paul in the NFL and expect to win.
Going after a Cutler or Sanchez might improve the QB.*
But giving up what it would take to get them would surely weaken other areas of the team.

I personally don't think Cutler would have been a sure-fire improvement over Campbell. If you project the trend of Campbell's play in his 1st year with Zorn to Cutler's 3rd year with Shanahan i think the numbers would be similiar and you have to factor in the defenses in the NFC East and the AFC West.

Moss? Check.
Cooley? Check.
Randle El (now known as Santonio Holmes)? Check.
Jason Campbell? Hmmm.

I too am warming up to the idea that if we want to get to the promise land it may take drafting Sanchez or probably giving Colt Brennan a shot. Why? It's no secret that Campbell has had a lot of instablility as far a OCs go but, look at his game. Even at Auburn his impressive W-L record and national championship title was helped much by a strong defense and running game (Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown). This reveals Campbell strengths. He does a great job making safe reads and takes very few chances with the football. The Skins have had a top 5 defense for most of the years he's started and a very effective running game so, we can afford to be more risky in that regard. Also, even though we have had great defenses, we are not one that have a lot of takeaways, or points off of, as the 2000 Ravens did. And before you say the WR corps was the culprit, Moss, Randle El, and Cooley are better than Cutler's Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Daniel Graham/Tony Sheffler. I believe Cutler's big numbers are a result of his ability to let it fly (watch what he does in CHI under his new OC and former FA bust Brandon Lloyd and REL-like Devin Hester). Something Campbell doesn't risk doing often. That's why Jay Cutler or a Brett Farve will have a eye-popping number of INTs to go with thier impressive TD stats. Who's to argue that Farve isn't a winner? A franchise QB? A team can surely win with Jason Campbell or a Trent Dilfer but, you have to make sure other attributes of the team make up for the lack of risk taking.

I'd have to strongly disagree here. Marshall is better than Moss. Is there really even an argument over that? Royal is hands down already a better wr than ARE. He had some monster games as a rookie. I don't know his numbers but he was near 100 catches. ARE has never even caught 60. Cooley is better than Tony S. But TE's don't have the same impact as top flight wr's do.

:lol:Those three trophies as your avatar are starting to rust. I don't know about y'all but I'm tired of 'eating off' championships of yesteryear. I might as well root for DAL if I have to do that...

No. Campbell just doesn't fit where we are right now as a defense. If we commit to him and re-sign him for another multi-year deal we're in for more mediocrity as we'll spend more money and draft picks on FAs trying to make his production go up or get more points off TOs. That's what we've done. He's a great guy and a better QB than more than half of the leagues' starers. My question is to you is: Do you want to get to the next level or continue to be one step away?


I didnt know Campbell played defense

What else is there to say. We'll all have to wait and see. Most of you aren't still crying over Patrick Ramsey although he wasn't given a fair chance. And Campbell was always a better prospect than Ramsey.

I too am warming up to the idea that if we want to get to the promise land it may take drafting Sanchez or probably giving Colt Brennan a shot.
Wow. Give Colt a shot AND Ramsey wasn't given a fair chance all in one thread. It's like I died and went to Redskins fan QB fantasy hell.

I'd have to strongly disagree here. Marshall is better than Moss. Is there really even an argument over that? Royal is hands down already a better wr than ARE. He had some monster games as a rookie. I don't know his numbers but he was near 100 catches. ARE has never even caught 60. Cooley is better than Tony S. But TE's don't have the same impact as top flight wr's do.Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookies last year.


exception that proves the rule, Compare Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning both were rookies at the same time.

Yes. REL is a playmaker. He's proved that before signing with us. Would you say Santonio Holmes or Devin Hester are play makers? The answer is, with the right QB, (Cutler, Roethlisberger) definitely yes.

I'm not taking away Campbell's QB rating or his safe decision making. Just as your posts states, QB ratings obviously don't get you into the playoffs. I'd rather have a one of those QBs you mentioned and have a shot at postseason play than have a QB with a perfect QB rating and miss the playoffs.

GB had more winning seasons than losses with Farve and did they ever win the SB? You know the team that Farve is playing on always had a chance, even last years NYJ. As for DEN they were ranked near the bottom as far as defense goes.

On the contrary. Defense wins championships. And we don't do a lot of scoring of turnovers (see James Harrison and his low rating QB Roethlsberger)

Randle El may have been a playmaker with Pittsburgh. He has not been one with us.

As to your next point, Cutler and Favre did not make the playoffs last year. Your argument that you would rather have Cutler or Favre and make the playoffs is fallacious.

Next point: No, the team with Favre did not always have a chance, not when he threw for multiple interceptions in a game, as he often did.

Of course defense wins championships, unless a wild gunslinger quarterback screws it up by throwing interceptions. A good defense WANTS a qb who is careful with the ball, not a qb who gives the opposition points. The only time a gunslinger might be desirable is if one has a bad defense. Even then the winning percentage is not great.

Back to the basic point - history has shown that Super Bowls are more often won with qb's who are careful with the ball than those who are irresponsible with it. And I'd like to see us win another Super Bowl, not just put on a good offensive show only to have our hearts broken by a stupid interception.

Those three trophies as your avatar are starting to rust. I don't know about y'all but I'm tired of 'eating off' championships of yesteryear. I might as well root for DAL if I have to do that...

You are right, they are starting to rust.

What was Gibbs' philosophy when we won them? AVOID TURNOVERS AT ALL COST. MAKE SURE YOU WIN THE TURNOVER BATTLE.

Because I want to win the Super Bowl, a wild gunslinger is the last person that I want to see under center.

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

In 2008 Royal caught 91 balls for 980 yards and 5 scores.

In 7 seasons Randle El has never achieved that many catches, those yards, or that many scores in one season.

Rookie or not, Royal wins hands-down.