What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.

Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.

The primary reason I'm thinking about this is because there are four big-time former NFL coaches who will probably be looking to return to coaching next season and I don't think you-know-who can resist hiring a big-name Head Coach. The coaches to whom I'm referring are Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan.

To try to answer my own question, I think that, at a minimum, Jim Zorn will need to take this team to the playoffs to keep his job. But that might not be enough. If we back into the playoffs as a wildcard and lose in the first round, I think that Zorn may still lose his job.

I'm suggesting that, with people who Dan Snyder will undoubtedly view as better coaches available, that the bar may be set unrealistically high for Jim Zorn this season.

Other than Zorn guiding the Skins to the second round of the playoffs, there is one other faint hope for DS retaining Zorn and thus maintaining continuity. That is, Snyder could hire Mike Holmgren in an executive capacity to oversee both Vinny and Jim Zorn and to serve as a close advisor to both of them. That might even work.

Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Skinsfan69......Telling it like it is. :food-smil

Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

I totally agreed, but Dan Snyder is not going to wait. Zorn has got to make the playoffs, if not he is def gone along with JC. Vinny might survive.

Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.

As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.

Don't forget that Campbell was subjected to a lot of dropped passes and our receivers were less than stellar. I felt JC was reading defenses well based on his low ints.

Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...

A locker room hip-hip-hooray chant after the last regular season game.

As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I prefer to think that the Skins, when healthy, were more like the 6-2 team, rather than the 2-6 team. I believe in this team for one of the first times in a while. I have a really good feeling about this season.

Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...

I think Campbell, can, and will, step it up this year. I also think Zorn will open the playbook up. They already have twice as many plays installed as last year. I don't see how dropped passes can be construed as just an excuse. Dropped passes kill drives. The QB cannot throw the pass and then run downfield and catch it. Any way you look at it, a pass is a 50/50 proposition and if a pass is dropped, that's on the receiver, not the QB. There have been some amazing catches made in the last 2 Super Bowls that have made Manning and Big Ben look awfully good. Granted they made the throws, but without the spectacular catches, we wouldn't be constantly talking about how good they are because they won SB's. If the receivers had not of made those great plays...no ring for Manning and 1 less for Ben.

JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?