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Slingin Sammy 33 07-14-2009, 10:17 AM Someone actually employs you? Remarkable
You actually think he can't be defeated in 2012? History means nothing to you does it?Miller, let me guess. Volunteer at ACORN, administrative assistant in DNC HQ, or Huffington Post blogger from your parents' basement.
Republicans, Taxes, Health Care, family values/religion, without those buzzwords the rest of your post is pretty much periods and smileys, well reasoned and insightful post.
saden1 07-14-2009, 10:30 AM Obama's a juggernaut? In what way?
Compared to Republicans out there? Especially Romney? No contest, might as well not even run. Did you not see how much money the man raised (744 million)? The kind of crowd he pulled? The trouncing of McCain by 192 electoral votes?
If Obama isn't a political juggernaut, I don't know who is. Again, good luck.
firstdown 07-14-2009, 10:36 AM You can't seriously believe that. I hope to god he runs against Obama. Tell you what, if he wins the nomination and isn't beaten by the same margins as McCain was I'll send you $100 dollars. I just put it into my calendar. Good luck.
You have a 2012 Redskins Cheerleaders Calender?
SmootSmack 07-14-2009, 10:41 AM Compared to Republicans out there? Especially Romney? No contest, might as well not even run. Did you not see how much money the man raised (744 million)? The kind of crowd he pulled? The trouncing of McCain by 192 electoral votes?
If Obama isn't a political juggernaut, I don't know who is. Again, good luck.
Got ya. Kind of like how H.W. Bush trounced Dukakis by over 300 electoral votes and had an approval rating close to 90% just over a year before his 1992 re-election bid. You're right, I tend to forget how that complete dominance in 1988 helped secure a guaranteed win for him in 1992.
saden1 07-14-2009, 10:42 AM You have a 2012 Redskins Cheerleaders Calender?
I got my own personal Redskins Cheerleader (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_yiiazwWXXcI/SlJ9M8y3p2I/AAAAAAAAAmc/UsxFhwybmz4/s1024/img_1043.jpg) so there's no need to purchase a Calender today or any time in the future.
saden1 07-14-2009, 10:51 AM Got ya. Kind of like how H.W. Bush trounced Dukakis by over 300 electoral votes and had an approval rating close to 90% just over a year before his 1992 re-election bid. You're right, I tend to forget how that complete dominance in 1988 helped secure a guaranteed win for him in 1992.
LOL...that's not a fair comparison of the political and electorate landscape is it? If you think Obama is Herbert Walker by all means, indulge yourself. Besides, I don't see someone as capable as Slick Willy on the other side that can come in and play the hero. Oh, and Romney wouldn't even win his home state...Dukakis at least managed to do that.
Times done changed bro, times done changed...and it take decades for change not 4 years. Good luck mon ami.
SmootSmack 07-14-2009, 10:57 AM LOL...that's not a fair comparison of the political and electorate landscape is it? If you think Obama is Herbert Walker by all means, indulge yourself. Besides, I don't see someone as capable as Slick Willy on the other side that can come in and play the hero. Oh, and Romney wouldn't even win his home state...Dukakis at least managed to do that.
Times done changed bro, times done changed...and they take decades to change not 4 years. Good luck mon ami.
The point is in 1988, HW won handily and in 1988 few, if anyone, really was giving much thought to Clinton as a real threat in 1992. So why is it so out of the realm of possibility for someone (whether it's Romney or someone we're not even considering) to win in 2012?
saden1 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM The point is in 1988, HW won handily and in 1988 few, if anyone, really was giving much thought to Clinton as a real threat in 1992. So why is it so out of the realm of possibility for someone (whether it's Romney or someone we're not even considering) to win in 2012?
You're right someone can come along and beat Obama but the main obstacle is that someone would have to bring the GOP and its base along. And you know what I and a lot of Americans, especially the independents, think of batshit crazy people. You see, when Bill ran he ran as a moderate southerner and that's really the main reason why he won. Try to bring moderation to the GOP and see what happens. A pile of shit is less rancid than that bunch (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/new-gop-racist-headache/) (sorry Joe, I hope I'm not cheery picking :P).
Slingin Sammy 33 07-14-2009, 11:16 AM You're right someone can come along and beat Obama but the main obstacle is that someone would have to bring the GOP and its base along. And you know what I and a lot of Americans, especially the independents, think of batshit crazy people. You see, when Bill ran he ran as a moderate southerner and that's really the main reason why he won. Try to bring moderation to the GOP and see what happens. A pile of shit is less rancid than that bunch (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/new-gop-racist-headache/) (she was elected as Chair BTW).You may want to reconsider your thought process on that $ 100.
Obama Approval Drops by Double Digits in Ohio Poll (Correct) - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aZMUgRYN_PlE)
Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php)
RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/)
Also check out the Congressional approval ratings and think about my statement of 1994 = 2010.
12thMan 07-14-2009, 11:21 AM As unqualified as I personally think Sarah Palin is, I don't see Romney beating her. I thought so about three months ago, but not now. If she can survive this latest misstep with how she abruptly resigned, she'll be in good shape going down the road.
Someone mentioned the economy being Romney's strength. Romney has kept his nose clean for as long as anyone can remember, gives substantive interviews (although I think his foreign policy views seem to be more rhetoric than anything else), he's actually governed a state and has executive experience. On paper Mitt Romney is a ten. But the economy was bad when John McCain was running for office and Romney still couldn't get his party's nomination. And I don't think it will be any different 3 1/2 years from now. So the notion that if the economy is still bad in a few years, that favors Romney, is a false argument in my opinion. In fact, he and Obama have very similiar views on how they would deal with GM.
Secondly, Palin with all of her demons and drawbacks commands media attention like no other politician except for President Obama. This is a huge plus for her. If she can figure out how to use that as an asset instead of a liability, Romney won't stand a chance. One more thing that Palin has going for her that Mitt Romney doesn't and that's the forgiveness factor. It seems to me that people are more willing to overlook Palin's flaws and give her a second chance whereas I don't sense the same type of goodwill towards Romney. He has to be damn near perfect; in fact, that's what people don't like about him. He comes off as the perfect candidate.
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