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saden1 07-14-2009, 11:27 AM You may want to reconsider your thought process on that $ 100.
Obama Approval Drops by Double Digits in Ohio Poll (Correct) - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aZMUgRYN_PlE)
Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php)
RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/)
Also check out the Congressional approval ratings and think about my statement of 1994 = 2010.
I only look at RealClearPolitics and I am well aware of his standing. I'm one of those that disapproves because he's not as cut-throat has he should be but that don't mean I'm not voting for the man.
I don't believe weakass Romney is going to win the nomination but in the event that he wins and isn't defeated handily I will be happy to send you your money. There is no need to reconsider. I done already won, you just don't know it yet.
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saden1 07-14-2009, 11:32 AM As unqualified as I personally think Sarah Palin is, I don't see Romney beating her. I thought so about three months ago, but not now. If she can survive this latest misstep with how she abruptly resigned, she'll be in good shape going down the road.
Someone mentioned the economy being Romney's strength. Romney has kept his nose clean for as long as anyone can remember, gives substantive interviews (although I think his foreign policy views seem to be more rhetoric than anything else), he's actually governed a state and has executive experience. On paper Mitt Romney is a ten. But the economy was bad when John McCain was running for office and Romney still couldn't get his party's nomination. And I don't think it will be any different 3 1/2 years from now. So the notion that if the economy is still bad in a few years, that favors Romney, is a false argument in my opinion. In fact, he and Obama have very similiar views on how they would deal with GM.
Secondly, Palin with all of her demons and drawbacks commands media attention like no other politician except for President Obama. This is a huge plus for her. If she can figure out how to use that as an asset instead of a liability, Romney won't stand a chance. One more thing that Palin has going for her that Mitt Romney doesn't and that's the forgiveness factor. It seems to me that people are more willing to overlook Palin's flaws and give her a second chance whereas I don't sense the same type of goodwill towards Romney. He has to be damn near perfect; in fact, that's what people don't like about him. He comes off as the perfect candidate.
Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
SmootSmack 07-14-2009, 11:38 AM Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
So you're coming around on Pawlenty now?
Solid post 12th. I can appreciate your points.
saden1 07-14-2009, 11:40 AM So you're coming around on Pawlenty now?
Solid post 12th. I can appreciate your points.
I think he is the least offensive of the current bunch of GOP candidates. If he plays his cards right he might get the nomination. Still, defeating the handicapped GOP field is one thing, defeating President Obama is another.
12thMan 07-14-2009, 12:00 PM Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
Yeah, TPaw is solid and I like him but, again, he doesn't have that it factor. I'm telling you Obama screwed shit up for the next boring run-of-the-mill politician. As much as Republicans hate on Obama's celebrity factor, they would like to have their own version of Obama. Of course someone who stands for conservative principles and values, but someone electrifying nonetheless.
Tell you guys a quick story. The only time I'll share an actual campaign experience.
One Sunday morning two elderly caucasion ladies (had to be in their early to mid eighties) walked into our Charlotte, NC office looking around. I approached them and asked if I could help them with something. I honest to goodness thought they were either lost or spying for the GOP. Seriously, this is what briefly ran through my head. They told me they wanted to get to work - now! Now I'm kind of reeling and I didn't want to ask them obvious. Mam, are you supporting Senator Obama? Of course we are! What do you think we're doing here? Shit, I can't send them into some bad ass AfAm neighborhood knocking on doors. I didn't have any lists ready for them to call folks. So I grabbed a stack of voter registration forms, two highlighters and put them to work. I came back in about an hour and they were ready for more.
Finally I had to ask the what, who, when, and why? They told me all the history of growing in NC as kids, about racism and politics, and good old Jesse Helms. I was truly captivated. But then I point blanked them and asked what prompted them to come down and volunteer today. Almost without hesitation it was the nomination of Sarah Palin that had gotten them so pissed that they had to get work. One of them stood up and started wagging her finger in the air and swearing. Looked like they had just come from church too.
But I say all of that to say this, Sarah Palin has the ability to make an emotional connection with voters. Those that like her and those that hate her. Mitt Romney, for all of his political savvy, doesn't have that. I'm willing to say Pawlenty doesn't either. I guess the real question is will some eighty year old women down in North Carolina or in somewhere in rural Pennsylvania see Mitt and Tim worthy enough to forfeit their Sunday afternoons. I can almost assure you that there are a few that would do it for Palin.
saden1 07-14-2009, 12:22 PM Yeah, TPaw is solid and I like him but, again, he doesn't have that it factor. I'm telling you Obama screwed shit up for the next boring run-of-the-mill politician. As much as Republicans hate on Obama's celebrity factor, they would like to have their own version of Obama. Of course someone who stands for conservative principles and values, but someone electrifying nonetheless.
Tell you guys a quick story. The only time I'll share an actual campaign experience.
One Sunday morning two elderly caucasion ladies (had to be in their early to mid eighties) walked into our Charlotte, NC office looking around. I approached them and asked if I could help them with something. I honest to goodness thought they were either lost or spying for the GOP. Seriously, this is what briefly ran through my head. They told me they wanted to get to work - now! Now I'm kind of reeling and I didn't want to ask them obvious. Mam, are you supporting Senator Obama? Of course we are! What do you think we're doing here? Shit, I can't send them into some bad ass AfAm neighborhood knocking on doors. I didn't have any lists ready for them to call folks. So I grabbed a stack of voter registration forms, two highlighters and put them to work. I came back in about an hour and they were ready for more.
Finally I had to ask the what, who, when, and why? They told me all the history of growing in NC as kids, about racism and politics, and good old Jesse Helms. I was truly captivated. But then I point blanked them and asked what prompted them to come down and volunteer today. Almost without hesitation it was the nomination of Sarah Palin that had gotten them so pissed that they had to get work. One of them stood up and started wagging her finger in the air and swearing. Looked like they had just come from church too.
But I say all of that to say this, Sarah Palin has the ability to make an emotional connection with voters. Those that like her and those that hate her. Mitt Romney, for all of his political savvy, doesn't have that. I'm willing to say Pawlenty doesn't either. I guess the real question is will some eighty year old women down in North Carolina or in somewhere in rural Pennsylvania see Mitt and Tim worthy enough to forfeit their Sunday afternoons. I can almost assure you that there are a few that would do it for Palin.
Nice...they hope Obama is Carter, they unknowingly compare him to FDR thinking it's a negative, and they fail to see he has a Reagan like celebrity. All good news.
Slingin Sammy 33 07-14-2009, 12:28 PM As unqualified as I personally think Sarah Palin is, I don't see Romney beating her. I thought so about three months ago, but not now. If she can survive this latest misstep with how she abruptly resigned, she'll be in good shape going down the road.
Someone mentioned the economy being Romney's strength. Romney has kept his nose clean for as long as anyone can remember, gives substantive interviews (although I think his foreign policy views seem to be more rhetoric than anything else), he's actually governed a state and has executive experience. On paper Mitt Romney is a ten. But the economy was bad when John McCain was running for office and Romney still couldn't get his party's nomination. And I don't think it will be any different 3 1/2 years from now. So the notion that if the economy is still bad in a few years, that favors Romney, is a false argument in my opinion. In fact, he and Obama have very similiar views on how they would deal with GM.
Secondly, Palin with all of her demons and drawbacks commands media attention like no other politician except for President Obama. This is a huge plus for her. If she can figure out how to use that as an asset instead of a liability, Romney won't stand a chance. One more thing that Palin has going for her that Mitt Romney doesn't and that's the forgiveness factor. It seems to me that people are more willing to overlook Palin's flaws and give her a second chance whereas I don't sense the same type of goodwill towards Romney. He has to be damn near perfect; in fact, that's what people don't like about him. He comes off as the perfect candidate.Makes a lot of sense. Also the campaign story was great. The only point about the economy and Romney/McCain was that the economy had some early indicators of sputtering but didn't really tank until after McCain had the nomination.
Unfortunately though, I'm concerned your analysis is correct looking at the current field of GOP hopefuls. The nomination will be simply a popularity contest and in that light Palin will certainly win. She'll have over two years to prep and will likely not make the same mistakes she did in 2008. Unless someone comes out of nowhere that's a better candidate, I'll be pulling for Romney.
firstdown 07-14-2009, 12:31 PM Whats so electrifying about a man who cannot go anywhere without his teleprompter with words other men have written?
YouTube - President Obama's Teleprompter Crashes During Speech!
12thMan 07-14-2009, 12:42 PM Makes a lot of sense. Also the campaign story was great. The only point about the economy and Romney/McCain was that the economy had some early indicators of sputtering but didn't really tank until after McCain had the nomination.
Unfortunately though, I'm concerned your analysis is correct looking at the current field of GOP hopefuls. The nomination will be simply a popularity contest and in that light Palin will certainly win. She'll have over two years to prep and will likely not make the same mistakes she did in 2008. Unless someone comes out of nowhere that's a better candidate, I'll be pulling for Romney.
Palin (and why does it sound like I'm tooting her horn today? Weird) has an Op-Ed in today's Washington Post. She's slamming Obama on cap and trade. It's a pretty good piece.
GMScud 07-14-2009, 12:51 PM LOL....funny...I'm not entirely convinced the GOP will be up to the task. You kinda have to have an attractive platform and ideas to get to people to vote for you. I know you guys loath Obama but don't let all the hate cloud your judgment, he's a f'ing jugernuat and jugernauts never lose the second time around. Like the Emperor said, "search your feelings, Lord GMScud. You will know it to be true. He could destroy [you]."
If I was a rich man I would send you a $100 too but I'm not. Good luck.
I don't loathe Obama. I think he's a smart guy and a brilliant orator. I dislike his politics. Hate is a strong word. I think he's trying to do too much too fast with way too big of a price tag. I also think he's directly contradicted several of his campaign promises, although every politician does.
He's a media darling who ran a fantastic campaign. That sure as hell doesn't make him a good president. He's slipping in the polls - a sign of buyers remorse by many IMO. I'm not cynical enough to cheer for our Commander and Cheif to fail - the exact opposite really. I just don't have much confidence in the man.
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