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jsarno 07-31-2009, 07:56 PM Ask 100 Red Sox fans if they would accept their star players being on roids if it meant the team would win the World Series in 2004 (and 2007), and 200 hands would go up.
Please do not speak of what you do not know of...I of course am from Boston, all my family members and I have a TON of friends that live in the area that are all Sox fans...most of us are VERY upset about Ortiz and Pedro. Ashamed really. It's disgusting what Baseball has become. of course there basically is no team that doesn't have this problem, but that just means baseball needs to get tougher and tougher.
So unless you meant 200 hands will go up out of like 10,000, I think you are wrong sir. In fact, I have first hand knowledge to the contrary. Some have even said it tainted the championships.
jsarno 07-31-2009, 07:57 PM I'm not a Red Sox fan, so it's not in my interest that their 2004 title (or 2007 title) be defended, but consider that a) 104 other players tested positive in the year Manny and Ortiz tested positive, which was actually 2003, and b) the Yankee team that beat the Red Sox in the 2003 playoffs consisted of Andy Pettite (admitted PED user), Jason Giambi (admitted PED user, in grand jury testimony), and Roger Clemens (Mitchell report name). Just saying . . .
And don't forget Aaron "bleeping" Boone who hit the infamous home run in the 2003 ALCS off Wakefield to thrust the Yankees past the Sox.
Schneed10 07-31-2009, 10:50 PM Please do not speak of what you do not know of...I of course am from Boston, all my family members and I have a TON of friends that live in the area that are all Sox fans...most of us are VERY upset about Ortiz and Pedro. Ashamed really. It's disgusting what Baseball has become. of course there basically is no team that doesn't have this problem, but that just means baseball needs to get tougher and tougher.
So unless you meant 200 hands will go up out of like 10,000, I think you are wrong sir. In fact, I have first hand knowledge to the contrary. Some have even said it tainted the championships.
OK then, for all intents and purposes, Boston still hasn't won in 100+ years.
I for one am relishing this. If I had to name one more sports story that I am done hearing about, besides performance enhancing drugs in baseball, it would have to be anything to do with the Boston Red Sox.
Overexposed ESPN boy toys, that's who they are.
jsarno 08-01-2009, 08:59 PM OK then, for all intents and purposes, Boston still hasn't won in 100+ years.
I for one am relishing this. If I had to name one more sports story that I am done hearing about, besides performance enhancing drugs in baseball, it would have to be anything to do with the Boston Red Sox.
Overexposed ESPN boy toys, that's who they are.
Just like every team since the A's in the late 80's haven't won a world series either since PEDS became a regular part of baseball?
What are you relishing? The fact that every team has a culprit and baseball is trying to implode? Just goes to show you how deep it is.
FYI, there is absolutely no proof this is a legit list. I do personally believe it to be legit, but it could be just as false as it is true. No proof on anything.
Hey Schneed, remember the time the Sox were down in the 9th inning, and the were down in the series 3-0, and roberts stole second off rivera which capped the biggest and best comeback in the history of sports? 9th inning, 2 outs, down to the last batter!!!! WOW. Comeback for the ages my friend. No one will see anything like that again! What an amazing comeback...only the Sox baby!!!
On a side note, did you see Jim Rice (from the Red Sox of course) make the hall this past week? Brings a tear to your eye! Loved that guy as a kid, and he played the game the RIGHT way. Shame on the voters for taking so long on him!
GMScud 08-01-2009, 09:14 PM Just like every team since the A's in the late 80's haven't won a world series either since PEDS became a regular part of baseball?
What are you relishing? The fact that every team has a culprit and baseball is trying to implode? Just goes to show you how deep it is.
FYI, there is absolutely no proof this is a legit list. I do personally believe it to be legit, but it could be just as false as it is true. No proof on anything.
Hey Schneed, remember the time the Sox were down in the 9th inning, and the were down in the series 3-0, and roberts stole second off rivera which capped the biggest and best comeback in the history of sports? 9th inning, 2 outs, down to the last batter!!!! WOW. Comeback for the ages my friend. No one will see anything like that again! What an amazing comeback...only the Sox baby!!!
On a side note, did you see Jim Rice (from the Red Sox of course) make the hall this past week? Brings a tear to your eye! Loved that guy as a kid, and he played the game the RIGHT way. Shame on the voters for taking so long on him!
Hey jsarno, remember Bill Buckner? Bucky Dent? Only the Sox, baby!
No proof other than a positive test. Not sure what other kind of proof you need.
Amazing how a once humble Red Sox nation has gotten so cocky. I, too, am SO done with hearing about the Sox. I hate the Yanks with a passion. The Sox are just irritating. Could any song be more played out than Sweet Caroline? Barf.
Two of the Sox players who were most crucial to bringing them their 1st championship(s) in nearly 90 years did so while juicing. Papi's steroid supplier (Manny) moves to the west coast, and then tests positive (again) and gets a 50 game ban, all the while Papi's production falls off a cliff. Oops. Makes me grin, for sure.
jsarno 08-01-2009, 09:47 PM Hey jsarno, remember Bill Buckner? Bucky Dent? Only the Sox, baby!
Sure do, they invited Buckner to the ceremony after we won in 04. Only the Sox indeed...our lovable loser persona is the reason why everyone loves us. (or are extremely jealous of us...either way you look at it, we are in the spotlight!)
No proof other than a positive test. Not sure what other kind of proof you need.
Ummm, the is NO verification that is a LEGIT list. It could be made up. (again, don't think it is made up, but point remains)
Amazing how a once humble Red Sox nation has gotten so cocky.
Not cocky, confident. And we weren't really "humble" before, we were humiliated sooo many times we were just a pathetic bunch of "lovable losers". Amazing what winning will do to you...and the nay-sayers.
I, too, am SO done with hearing about the Sox. I hate the Yanks with a passion. The Sox are just irritating. Could any song be more played out than Sweet Caroline? Barf.
Classic...you're DONE hearing about the Sox, yet here you are doing just that. LOL. Just goes to show you, everyone truly is a sox fan at heart. LOL.
Two of the Sox players who were most crucial to bringing them their 1st championship(s) in nearly 90 years did so while juicing. Papi's steroid supplier (Manny) moves to the west coast, and then tests positive (again) and gets a 50 game ban, all the while Papi's production falls off a cliff. Oops. Makes me grin, for sure.
I still swear Varitek was juicing too...look at his drop off after they started testing!
Funny thing is, no one, other than Sox fans who are upset at the players, even care. Guess people have grown so accustomed to players taking PEDS, no one even bats an eyelash anymore. I personally think it's disgusting what baseball has become. By that's my humble opinion.
jsarno 08-01-2009, 09:55 PM On a side note, my brother is a MASSIVE Varitek and Tim Wakefield fan...I mean MASSIVE. About two weeks after that so-called list went public, I created a fake list and had my buddy post it on his site for less than an hour. Of course it included Varitek and Wakefield and about 45 others. The theory behind it was the list part 2...a second page was found and exposed. I called him and told him what I saw, he didn't believe me, so I gave him the web address and there was dead silence on the phone. I said "Hello?" He replied, "I don't believe it, I don't f-ing believe it...how could they!!!" I am trying my best not to bust up laughing, and he said "You know, if freakin wakefield was taking roids, you would think he would throw a fastball more than 76 MPH!!!" He then said "man this is depressing". I couldn't take it anymore, I busted up laughing. He was pissed, saying it wasn't funny. I had trouble speaking I was laughing so hard. Then told him it was all a set up. I still laugh just thinking about it.
Ahhhhh, good times!
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