Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?

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SBXVII
12-15-2009, 09:01 AM
Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Davis, Cooley, Yoder

take cooley out and it gets LESS appealing, its a fact... he's the 2nd best, if not the best, player on that list.

Um, you forgot Rock, you know the MVP of the team.

MTK
12-15-2009, 09:04 AM
Now I'm really clueless. I honestly thought Cerrato had some dealings with the contracts. I actually thought he was the master mind behind keeping us well below the CAP. Now I'm really wondering what Cerrato is doing on this team?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/28058-getting-to-know-redskins-front-office.html

Eric Shaffer is the money guy

SBXVII
12-15-2009, 09:04 AM
Nice post saden1. What happened to wanting depth? So now if we have good depth we trade our starters? I think Davis has shown this year why teams with good depth keep playing well even if their starters go down.

Oh my god. See now your throwing the "depth" wrinkle into the pot. We don't need depth we need picks. ...picks, picks, picks. Haven't you heard we need OL.

MTK
12-15-2009, 09:07 AM
Um, you forgot Rock, you know the MVP of the team.

I know you think he sucks... but who is saying he's the MVP of anything?

BigHairedAristocrat
12-15-2009, 12:40 PM
KWII was traded for a 2nd and a 5th, I think that's similar to what we could get for CC.

Both have similar career stats, but Cooley has almost twice the number of touchdowns. KWII has had constant injury issues whereas Cooley's been healthy up until his injury this year. I think its good to compare the two, but Cooley is a superior player - he'd garner more than a 2nd and 5th.

A team wouldn't trade us club level tickets for Rock.

Trading Cooley is possibly an option because he is a pro-bowler but I would have to see a pretty attractive 2nd round player to justify getting rid of a stud.

That is key to me. We shouldn't trade Cooley "just" to get a pick. There needs to be a solid player in mind who we'd select with the pick(s) we received as compensation. Now, if we get a 1st rounder, we'd be sure to find someone we needed. However, if the compensation is something like a 2nd and a 3rd, i'd hope we would have preliminary talks with a few teams, but only execute the trade of the player we coveted was there when the pick came up.

Landry44
12-15-2009, 01:03 PM
This is a buy low sell high thread. Should we consider trading Cooley, certainly if the offer is right, but a 2nd round pick for a consistent Pro Bowl, and good locker room presence(life coach in fact), is way too low. I would say a low first, or high 2nd, with a conditional 2nd/3rd rd pick the following year. Having said that, it really is kinda foolish to trade because of 4-6 good games by FD. He seems to be a baller, but one season isn't enough to get rid of a high caliber player. Shockey and Gonzalez went for a second round picks and both are great TEs. Why wouldn't we trade Cooley for a second round pick? I highly doubt anyone would give up a first rounder for a TE. I think a second round pick would be fair.

SFREDSKIN
12-15-2009, 01:10 PM
Why would the Redskins want to trade Cooley? He's a high character guy, one of the team leaders and a great player. I personally would trade Landry who is a great athlete, a free lance type player and is selfish. The question is would you trade a smart, team leader and complete player or a great athlete who is selfish and makes lots of bone headed decisions? You would probably get the same type pick for either one.

BigHairedAristocrat
12-15-2009, 02:28 PM
Why would the Redskins want to trade Cooley? He's a high character guy, one of the team leaders and a great player. I personally would trade Landry who is a great athlete, a free lance type player and is selfish. The question is would you trade a smart, team leader and complete player or a great athlete who is selfish and makes lots of bone headed decisions? You would probably get the same type pick for either one.

Trade Landry? Besides having next to no trade value, we don't have another safety on the team who has been playing just as good, if not better, than Landry has been. Thats why Landry hasn't been benched for some of his mistakes, while Carolos Rogers has. Landry, with all his flaws, is the best safety we have. If we traded Landry for a draft pick, we'd likely have to use that same pick to draft his replacement. Given the compensation we'd likely get for him (a 4th rounder at best), we'd be likely end up with a player not as talented as Landry. Additionally, Landry is signed to a rookie contract that will expire in a couple years. We have no long-term commitment to him.

Cooley, on the other hand, has significant trade value. The consensus amongst us here is that he would garner anywhere between a 2nd and 5th rounder to a 1st and a 3rd. Cooley also plays at a position where we have two starting-caliber TEs and 1 solid backup on the roster. Typically, when smart teams have that kind of depth at a position like TE, and glaring weaknesses at other, more critical, spots on the roster, they trade one of the superflous players. Cooley also has a very large contract, one that will ultimately come back to bite the skins if they keep him around. By trading him in a potentially capless 2010, the skins rid themselves of that eventual issue. Fred Davis has proven that he is just as good, if not better, than Chris Cooley. He's younger. He's cheaper. And he seems to have developed a better chemistry with Campbell in 2 months than Cooley did in 4 years.

As to Cooley being a "team leader," I think you overvalue him a bit there. We, as fans, like Cooley because he makes plays and he's funny. We're amused by the short shorts, crazy hair, his blog entries, and general antics... much the same way we were amused by Portis' alter-egos a couple of years ago. He's a "fan favorite." He's popular in the lockerroom. But don't confuse "popular" and "well-liked" with "Leader." If Cooley were really a "leader," he probably would have been voted a team captain for the offense at the beginning of the season. Instead, Campbell and Samuels were the captains for the offense. If the offense has a leader now, its Jason Campbell. As fans, we don't "identify" with him as much, because he seems to be a fairly private person. but if you pay attention when other players talk, Campbell's THE leader. Sellers is a leader. Fletcher is a leader. Cartwright is a leader... but not Cooley. Sorry.

CrustyRedskin
12-15-2009, 02:50 PM
your right, we love Cooley but he is no leader.

CRedskinsRule
12-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Shockey and Gonzalez went for a second round picks and both are great TEs. Why wouldn't we trade Cooley for a second round pick? I highly doubt anyone would give up a first rounder for a TE. I think a second round pick would be fair.

Shockey was not getting along in NY, and wanted out. Gonzalez is good, but also OLD. Again, if Cooley wanted out, or was causing problems, then yes a 2nd is fair, but he is young, an established probowler who has significant ties to the community and team, brings in a ton of merchandising revenue(yes that should affect the value we get for him, because he will bring that to the new team as well) and is a very good locker room presence. Shockey and Gonzalez didn't meet that criteria, and Gonzalez was franchised last year I believe - I could be wrong, but not this year. It is crazy to think a stand alone 2nd round pick is a fair market value for Cooley.

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