Reputation of Sherman Lewis- our new play caller

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SBXVII
10-20-2009, 01:29 PM
It's about using the right plays at the right time. If Zorn really is scripting plays to the point where he cant react to the way the defense is playing us maybe Lewis getting a chance to call what he wants when he wants might make a difference. Not saying it will make a difference but that's the difference.

I think there is many factors involved. We have heard that Zorn whole game plan sucks, He calls the most idiotic plays and for the first 8 weeks of last yr DC's did not believe he would call the plays called so they weren't ready for it ...now we hear the DC's are game planning around what stupid call he might call in any given situation that no other coach would call and for the most part are stopping us. We have heard he is sending in the wrong plays at the wrong time, and lately he's sending in the wrong plays with the wrong package of people on the field.

Yes it's about calling the right plays at the right time, which he has a hard time doing, but it's also about knowing what personell is on the field and calling the right play for the package on the field. Can't call package designed for Portis who is now running off the field for his one yrd run breather and try to have Betts run the play. Won't work. Part of the reason why I liked Gibbs system. Take any player out and put in any second string player and the play should still work.

GTripp0012
10-20-2009, 01:31 PM
Besides all of the obvious problems, what are the odds on the number of time outs the team will have to call because plays are slow getting in to the QB? Game management and efficiency wasn't exactly the strong suit of this team even when Zorn was calling the plays himself.5.5

I have the over.

Of course, on the other side, you have Donovan McNabb, so his over/under is 6.5.

SBXVII
10-20-2009, 01:41 PM
lol he probably was. SS i got a question and you probably know the answer or could come up with a knowledgable opinion:

does the skins firing of zorn (when it happens) and the naming of an old guy like sherm as the interim coach now open the possibilities that a guy like gruden or shanahan will talk with the skins FO re. coaching the skins next year during this season?

whereas, if zorn was still the HC (like he is now), gruden and shanahan wont comment or honestly enter into talks with the skins FO like they are currently distancing themselves?

go skins!!

I think this is part of the problem. I do think many coach's have a gentlemans agreement about not talking to an owner about a job that is already taken. Even if the HC of the team is doing poorly.

Now, rumor has it Gruden has spoken to someone off record and not associated with the Skins about how he might like the job with the Skins.

If I was DS I would fire VC or completely remove him from having anything to do with the Skins as of today. Do a search of available candidates and candidates who are currently with other teams if available. Like Poilin or whoever. If I had to wait till seasons end to conduct certain interviews then so be it and bring in the best I could and pay him well. Give the GM some ideas as to who you might like as HC but make sure everyone and all candidates know I am backing the F-off. Allowing the GM to run the team.

With that said it might, might open up a few doors into coach's that have been hesitant to come to Washington.

Hopefully after Mon. night, which I can't wait for, VC and Zorn get canned and DS can start talking to viable candidates. but I wouldn't bring them in till seasons end. My feeling is you bring them in now and people/fans get a misconception and expect the team to start winning. If they don't I could see fans wishing DS to fire the new HC. I'd name an interim HC and keep conducting interviews until seasons end with my new GM.

SmootSmack
10-20-2009, 01:57 PM
lol he probably was. SS i got a question and you probably know the answer or could come up with a knowledgable opinion:

does the skins firing of zorn (when it happens) and the naming of an old guy like sherm as the interim coach now open the possibilities that a guy like gruden or shanahan will talk with the skins FO re. coaching the skins next year during this season?

whereas, if zorn was still the HC (like he is now), gruden and shanahan wont comment or honestly enter into talks with the skins FO like they are currently distancing themselves?

go skins!!

Well no matter who is the coach (interim or not), I don't think any coach would speak publicly about it. But Shanahan and the Redskins have definitely been talking (at least through intermediaries) and I'm sure discussions will continue in the off-season. But Shanahan is being smart about it. Dallas and San Diego could both be options for him this off-season, so he's got some options to leverage against each other I hope he goes to San Diego and Norv goes to Dallas. That way we don't get stuck with GM Mike Shanahan and the Cowboys get stuck with Norv.

Gruden, to my knowledge, hasn't really given much thought specifically to the Redskins. He certainly wants to coach again, but he's loving what he's doing right now. And he's young enough that he could take another year off and wait for the right opportunity. And seeing how tight Gruden and Bruce Allen seem to be, I suspect they would look to go together somewhere. Or so it appears right now. Then again, Allen has been rumored to the Bills. But I'd be surprised to see the Bills pay for Gruden as well

Hog1
10-20-2009, 02:00 PM
I did not know that both Allen, and Gruden have two more years Full boat $$$$ coming from the Buc's

maroonandblack30
10-20-2009, 02:02 PM
Sherm Lewis replacing Zorn = Robiskie replacing Norv....we all thought it couldn't get worse but it did....much worse. This Monday night is going to be embarassing.

Paintrain
10-20-2009, 03:01 PM
For as much as the media is (probably justified) shredding this move and is saying 'just fire Zorn already' in reality, this move probably saved Zorn's job for the remainder of the season. It doesn't make sense for him to be demoted just to be fired a week later. If they don't make a move at the bye, there's no other time during the year to make it. I wouldn't say I'd be surprised if it happens but it wouldn't really be necessary at that point.

GTripp0012
10-20-2009, 07:18 PM
For as much as the media is (probably justified) shredding this move and is saying 'just fire Zorn already' in reality, this move probably saved Zorn's job for the remainder of the season. It doesn't make sense for him to be demoted just to be fired a week later. If they don't make a move at the bye, there's no other time during the year to make it. I wouldn't say I'd be surprised if it happens but it wouldn't really be necessary at that point.No, it certainly doesn't, which means it's a pretty good bet to happen.

The course of action that this franchise has taken since the Detroit game will be a future business case in asset mismanagement. You couldn't have done it any more hilariously than they have over the past now.

The Goat
10-20-2009, 07:20 PM
No, it certainly doesn't, which means it's a pretty good bet to happen.

The course of action that this franchise has taken since the Detroit game will be a future business case in asset mismanagement. You couldn't have done it any more hilariously than they have over the past now.

Priceless...

The Goat
10-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Look it doesn't seem as though Lewis was a great offensive mind as a playcaller, which I'm convinced is Zorn's biggest issue after being a terrible motivator/leader. But here's the positiive things that could happen:

1) Zorn should be able to spend more time w/ the QBs and that's obviously his proven strength.

2) Lewis could "surprise" the defenses he faces w/ his play-calling, something Zorn has failed to do past week 8 of last season.

3) If Lewis has a stronger sense of the offens's strengths and weakness, from his birdseye view, he may be able to adjust the gameplan effectively. I don't believe Zorn has been able to even begin adjusting accordingly. It always seemed like Zorn drew up a gameplan, which may have been perfect if everything goes according to plan, but as things got off track there wasn't effective adjustments made. Result: predictability, lots of grinding plays that play right into the defensive strengths.

I almost want to feel hopeful the offense will rebound a little w/ this change...guess we'll all find out together :)

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