At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

GTripp, I don't follow your logic of taking Colt McCoy over Jimmy Clausen. At least the part about saving picks. It makes no difference unless you flat out believe that McCoy is plainly a better quarterback than Clausen. And if you do, then you're certainly in the minority on this one, which is fine too. But saving picks for the sake of "saving picks", yet drafting an inferior quarterback accomplishes nothing. You draft a quarterback with the intention that he'll someday lead your franchise and lead it well.

Either Colt McCoy is better than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher or he isn't. Adding picks to the equation does nothing for me when you're drafting a quarterback. It's a make or break position.Yes, Colt McCoy is a better quarterback than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher.

But you can also play the perception of the league and leverage the fact that one is probably going to go before the other into getting the other later in the draft. Which is, the further Clausen falls, the less one would need to consider a trade up for McCoy, and could probably even start considering a trade down.

Again, if the target is Clausen, this point is moot. It's not relevant when McCoy will go if the idea is to draft Clausen. But if the idea is to draft McCoy, when Clausen goes is quite relevant, because if the market determines where McCoy will be drafted, Clausen's stock is a major determinant in setting that market.

At this point the Skins front office is playing it very close to the vest. I have a hard time believing that the draft will be any different, leading me to believe that they'll either try to trade down or draft who they believe to be the best available tackle.

Trade down from #4 and pick up an OL at say #13. (Worked out well last year!) And pick up more picks for another tackle later in an acquired #3rd rounder. The first round will apparently be full of very good OL prospects.

Case in point!
With Left Tackle In Flux, Redskins Eye O-Line Prospects (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Left_Tackle_In_Flux__Redskins_Eye_O_Line_Prospects _109284.jsp)

QB is not the issue. The OL, LB, RB, and secondary are issues.

Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.

I think clausen will not help the redskins. He's a bust in the making. We should see if we can get tebow in the 2nd round or lefevour later. Great upside on those two at a lower price. Both of those guys can beat you with their wheels and arms. We must get a top OLT with the 4th pick...period.

I echo RedskinsJim, Welcome new guy! You're buying! Surprise!

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Yes, Colt McCoy is a better quarterback than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher.


I'm not saying Clausen should be the pick at #4. But Clausen IS BETTER than McCoy. Maybe not from a college standpoint but from an NFL standpoint. Clausen just finished the season with some of the best stats of ANY Junior QB EVER. AND HE RAN A PRO OFFENSE! He had to READ defenses!!!! Colt McCoy read route combinations. With Notre Dame's shitty OLine and an even shittier defense, Clausen was able to keep his team in games that they otherwise wouldnt have been close in. Notre Dame's record would be far worse if Colt McCoy played for them this year.

Clausen doesnt have the biggest arm strength but he can read 1 on 1 coverage and puts it up for his reciever to make a play on it. And his short and intermediate passes have real good zip on them. And if you watch the tape, Colt McCoy relied on his legs a good amount of the time. He's not terribly fast so it isnt going to cut it in the NFL against superior athletes. Clausen has good pocket awareness, n moves around to create more time to THROW.....like a QUARTERBACK lol. Jimmy Clausen played all year on a bad toe that ended up needing surgery. He went out of the game against Purdue but came back in to lead his team to victory when they needed him most. Colt McCoy played against NFL sized lineman against Alabama and what happened? Injury. Fluke? Prolly. But i digress. i would rather trade for Flozell Adams and have him play QB then to have Colt McCoy.

Clausen is NFL ready now, McCoy could take years, if he ever develops at all (and if that happens, that'll just be a wasted 2nd round pick that could have been used on someone who could have strongly contributed all season long with all our problem areas).

Unfortunately, i doubt the Redskins will go Oline in the 1st AND 2nd round (wish they would). So EVERYONE, if you take Clausen in the 1st, and an OT in the 2nd, then you have two opening day starters (caliber). As opposed to getting a OT (Williams, Bulaga, or Davis) in the 1st and then a pet project McCoy in the 2nd. A pick which may or may not pan out, then we dont pick again till the 4th, then after that its project guys as well unless we strike a gem. We have too many needs to miss with our 1st and 2nd round pick.

If we got Clausen we could get sum kind of trade for Campbell, and Grossman still makes for a good backup. I'm not saying Clausen SHOULD be the pick at 4, but its a better idea then taking McCoy at 37 and if shanahan thinks Clausen is his guy, then ill support it. Does Clausen offer more than Campbell would as an opening day starter? Who knows? But it would be a change in the winds, a breath of fresh air. As Bruce Allen said, the status quo (Campbell) is unacceptable.

Trade down from #4 and pick up an OL at say #13. (Worked out well last year!) And pick up more picks for another tackle later in an acquired #3rd rounder. The first round will apparently be full of very good OL prospects.

Case in point!
With Left Tackle In Flux, Redskins Eye O-Line Prospects (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Left_Tackle_In_Flux__Redskins_Eye_O_Line_Prospects _109284.jsp)

QB is not the issue. The OL, LB, RB, and secondary are issues.

Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.

Key word from my post though is try. It's very difficult to trade down from the top 10. And I wouldn't be so quick to look for the BCS as a measure of a potential franchise QB. God knows that football is not only a team game but the BCS system is messed up beyond belief. If such a system did work then you'd be seeing Kansas and Kentucky battling it out for the national championship in basketball.

Not worth it. Clausen will fall in our laps, and if not there are other good QBs out there that can be starter caliber for us. I think this Bradford/Clausen obsession is rather shortsighted. Very few of the top billed college QBs have panned out in over a decade or have been lackluster thus far. There are at least a dozen solid QB prospects, with most mocks seeing them go in the latter rounds. A great QB behind a terrible line will suck, but a good Qb behind a great line can do wonders. Do you really think Flacco is all the great of an actual QB? He is more of a game manager than a true gunslinger, but his poise and not making mistakes is going to make him a winner behind a solid line and some nice new weapons for next season. Top 2 picks should be O line then either a QB, RB, LB, or even A CB or S.

Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.

Atleast he brought Navy back to prominence.

Options are:

-I would not be willing to use the 37th overall pick on Jimmy Clausen
-I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him
-I would be willing to trade our fourth round pick to move up 2-6 spots and ensure that we get him, even if it looks like we can get him at 37.
-I would be willing to trade up about 10 picks into the back end of the first round (ahead of, say, Arizona), at the cost of the 2011 2nd rounder.
-If Jimmy Clausen is available after the 16th pick in the first round, we should trade our 2011 first rounder to ensure we get him.

Note: in all situations, you would be using the second round pick in part of the trade/selection process.

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I would not be willing to spend the 37th overall to get Clausen. Like others I think he's a bust. Charlie did a good job w/ his QBs. Just like Quinn was perceived as a solid prospect but in fact doesn't have enough talent to excel in the pros I think Clausen's talent (or lack thereof) is less than it's perceived.

Also, I would not assume Bradford is at the top of our board. I just wouldn't assume it. Shanny has been rather particular about his QBs. He likes guys with rocket arm and quicker than average release. Elway, Cutler, hell even Griese fits that bill. Bradford does NOT. I understand it's easy to get into the hype we hear all day long about the new young stud, but there's no reason to believe Mike is on that bandwagon. He's been through plenty of these rodeos already...

This idea of trying to pick up a franchise QB for cheap doesn't make sense to me, especially with so many other needs. If the next John Elway, Peyton Manning, or Sonny J is in the draft, then by all means take him! If the guy really is that good, he'll likely be a top 5 pick and worth it. Maybe Bradford is that guy, but nobody else in this draft is. Personally, I think next year, Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett are both better prospects, and we should use all our picks this year on tight ends.

if we had a third and if clausen fell there, then, i'd take him... that's the only scenario i would endorse...

but, we don't have a third, so...

if he falls to the second and we pick him, i'll be pissed...