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skinsfan_nn 04-25-2010, 03:08 PM I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jamarcus Russell is finished. What a waste of a gigantic arm. He's fat and lazy. An example of a guy who just wanted to get paid.
Once he gets cut, he'll probably balloon to 350lbs and fade into oblivion. I can't stand guys like him.
Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.
This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.
jsarno 04-25-2010, 03:13 PM Let's face facts here, we need someone that can WIN us games. That when the game is on the line, someone steps up and wins it for us. There has been no one on this roster to do that for years. Campbell is NOT that guy. Sure, he was a great locker room presence, and a stand up guy, and we will all miss that, but as a starting QB he proved over and over that he is not that guy. Shame on us for believing he could be our savior, he has second string talent. He'll make a great back up for someone, but unfortunately he went to a situation that will likely chew him up and spit him out cause he needs a HUGE supporting cast to overshadow his lack of talent on the field.
I certainly wish him the best, and I hope that the change in scenary means he will be a changed QB and I certainly hope he becomes a pro bowler, because good people deserve second chances. I just don't see his talent being enough to make it.
jsarno 04-25-2010, 03:18 PM Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.
This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.
Russell is definately a massive bust at this point, but you never know, he could get out from under the dysfunctional raiders thumb and do something somewhere else. He needed to be tutored and he was thrown in to the wolves. He needs to simmer on someone's bench for a year or two, then maybe he could resurface somewhere and do something. Of course, this is unlikely, but just saying.
mlmdub130 04-25-2010, 03:35 PM Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.
This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.
there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.
as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there
GMScud 04-25-2010, 03:58 PM there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.
as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there
I agree. I mean, Sam Bradford is going to get around $50M in guarantees before he ever lines up under center for the Rams. I think it's unfair for these high dollar rookies to eat up that much cash at the expense of proven vets who have already shed plenty of blood for their team(s).
Also, a lot of these kids who just became overnight millionares are pretty immature. Giving them all that cash increases the chances that they'll get lazy or screw up. Make them earn some of it before you give them 8 figures of guaranteed $.
GTripp0012 04-25-2010, 04:04 PM Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.
So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.There are not different levels of busts. A bust is a guy who can not play.
Making up future scenarios that have no chance of happening doesn't make us look at the last three years in a different light, it just makes you look really, really bitter.
GTripp0012 04-25-2010, 04:09 PM I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.
dgack 04-25-2010, 04:25 PM Sad to see JC go in the same way I would be to see Reed Doughty go if he was cut. Both played hard and stayed classy but neither were "The Best" at their position.
I was quite surprised to learn that JC17 leaves as the sixth most prolific QB in team history. Not bad for a bust who only knows how to check down. I hope he throws caution to the wind and starts airing it out in Choakland. It remains to be seen if any of their receivers can catch but at least he's got a young speed WR he's unlikely to overthrow in DHB.
GMScud 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM Sad to see JC go in the same way I would be to see Reed Doughty go if he was cut. Both played hard and stayed classy but neither were "The Best" at their position.
I was quite surprised to learn that JC17 leaves as the sixth most prolific QB in team history. Not bad for a bust who only knows how to check down. I hope he throws caution to the wind and starts airing it out in Choakland. It remains to be seen if any of their receivers can catch but at least he's got a young speed WR he's unlikely to overthrow in DHB.
It's actually pretty easy to argue that Louis Murphy is the better of the two wideouts Oakland drafted last year. DHB is fast. Thats about it.
jsarno 04-25-2010, 04:47 PM There are not different levels of busts.
You are wrong sir. This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.
A bust is a guy who can not play.
Explain, "can not play". Ryan Leaf, "played", just played poorly. Clearly he was a mega bust. Jason Campbell played poorly for us for the most part, i'd label that a bust considering where he came from trading up to get him in the first round. If you sign a QB from the undrafted free agent list and he doesn't perform, is he a "bust"? No. But if you sign a first rounder and he doesn't perform then he is certainly a bust (see Shuler). Campbell did not perform to first round potential, that makes him a bust, albeit a small one.
Making up future scenarios that have no chance of happening doesn't make us look at the last three years in a different light, it just makes you look really, really bitter.
Wrong again sir, I was just pointing out how people will view him. FYI, it's been 4 years with Campbell. He can lose the bust status if he performs well with the raiders, I just doubt it will happen since his supporting cast sucks over there. That was the point.
ps, He was a first round draft pick and was 20-32 over the 4 years, and now he's gone. Right now, he is a bust, he at least has the opportunity to get himself off the bust list.
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