Campbell A Raider

Yes, I agree those picks are hard to swallow for a player that didn't fit the system we were trying to run..

I think JC will do well and I wish him the best.

He will be in a smaller market on a team nobody expects much from. I think that will help him.

And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick

I think the Skins were lucky to get anything for him so that 4th pick helps.

So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?

Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.

Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.

Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.

Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.

Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.

You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.

You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.

I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.

Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.

I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

good riddance...good luck..but i'm glad he isn't here anymore.

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

Bust