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The Goat 06-19-2010, 09:34 PM most of the people that voted for obama know they made a huge mistake, they know they let their hatred for bush get in the way of voting for the best candidate but they're just too stuborn to admit it.
That's awesome...maybe the funniest thing I've read on the WP :laughing2
GMScud 06-19-2010, 10:03 PM Not really
Well, to a degree he's right. I don't know if I'd say "most people," but personally I have several friends/family members that are having serious buyer's remorse on Obama and Co.
His approval rating keeps dropping and dropping. A whopping 41% right now. He'll be in the 30's before you know it.
You don't secretly wish you had voted for McCain and Palin like me? If not to us at least admit it to yourself and go out and vote to rectify your mistake. God bless the USA and the GOP.
lol
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Slingin Sammy 33 06-19-2010, 10:36 PM You don't secretly wish you had voted for McCain and Palin like me? If not to us at least admit it to yourself and go out and vote to rectify your mistake. God bless the USA and the GOP.I knew you'd come around, I told you I'd save you a seat at the GOP table. LOL
The Goat 06-20-2010, 12:00 AM Republican/conservative hegemony is still fresh in the minds of most of us, so the alternative to Obama is still a relatively concrete thing i.e. massive tax cuts for the rich that keep us in budget deficits even when the economy is growing, tearing away regulatory framework which gives the most wealthy/powerful a free pass to lie, cheat and steal, constant drumming about social issues that most of the country now doesn't care about or sides w/ progressives anyway, etc, etc.
There's really hasn't been a new idea in the Republican party and/or conservative movement now for over 3 decades. It's talk about social issues and small government, then once in power massive budget deficits (Reagan and the Bush presidencies still acct for most of the national debt by far) and public policies that (drastically) favor the rich. Same old shit over and over and over again. Blah.
GMScud 06-20-2010, 12:07 AM Republican/conservative hegemony is still fresh in the minds of most of us, so the alternative to Obama is still a relatively concrete thing i.e. massive tax cuts for the rich that keep us in budget deficits even when the economy is growing, tearing away regulatory framework which gives the most wealthy/powerful a free pass to lie, cheat and steal, constant drumming about social issues that most of the country now doesn't care about or sides w/ progressives anyway, etc, etc.
There's really hasn't been a new idea in the Republican party and/or conservative movement now for over 3 decades. It's talk about social issues and small government, then once in power massive budget deficits (Reagan and the Bush presidencies still acct for most of the national debt by far) and public policies that (drastically) favor the rich. Same old shit over and over and over again. Blah.
I find it hilarious that you use debt/deficit in this argument. Obama talks about obligations to care for the next generation, and yet he continues his dangerous tax/spend agenda while continuing to further expand government. He's spending like a maniac. You can justify some of it I guess, but it is what it is- our children's children will be paying for this administration for years.
Obama is a weak, hollow, false-promise laden, 2000's version of Jimmy Carter. He sucks. Is there a Republican out there who would be a huge upgrade? I'm not so sure. American politics is effed in the A. I just really, really cannot stand this administration.
saden1 06-20-2010, 12:43 AM I find it hilarious that you use debt/deficit in this argument. Obama talks about obligations to care for the next generation, and yet he continues his dangerous tax/spend agenda while continuing to further expand government. He's spending like a maniac. You can justify some of it I guess, but it is what it is- our children's children will be paying for this administration for years.
Obama is a weak, hollow, false-promise laden, 2000's version of Jimmy Carter. He sucks. Is there a Republican out there who would be a huge upgrade? I'm not so sure. American politics is effed in the A. I just really, really cannot stand this administration.
A "tax and spend" policy is always better than a "don't tax and spend" policy. False promise laden? He's really keeping up with majority of his promises (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/)...don't let the fact that he didn't promise you and your ilk things that please you cloud your judgment.
Now if only he can muster the will to get us out of the two wars your kids will be in a better position in the future. Let's pray that he makes the right call and we pack up and go home.
The Goat 06-20-2010, 12:47 AM I find it hilarious that you use debt/deficit in this argument. Obama talks about obligations to care for the next generation, and yet he continues his dangerous tax/spend agenda while continuing to further expand government. He's spending like a maniac. You can justify some of it I guess, but it is what it is- our children's children will be paying for this administration for years.
Obama is a weak, hollow, false-promise laden, 2000's version of Jimmy Carter. He sucks. Is there a Republican out there who would be a huge upgrade? I'm not so sure. American politics is effed in the A. I just really, really cannot stand this administration.
The current spending situation is predominantly spending outlays set in stone long before BO took the oath of office...then a recession/depression hit. Two things happen 1) tax receipts plummet (worsening all government budget scenarios) and 2) governments must simultaneously lay out more expenditures for things like unemployment insurance and things similar. The recovery projects are a matter of opinion in that most economists ultimately fall to the side of Keynes, that government spending in recessions/depressions keep us from going over the edge.
Historically, the thing that should truly unnerve the American citizen is the massive budget deficits in times of relative peace and prosperity. We have ole Ronald to thank for this phenomenon. Reagan's admin oversaw about 3 trillion in new debt (when he took office the federal debt hovered at around a trillion). That's absolutely horrible public policy...in the long run public policy that will destroy any country. The elder Bush did try to reverse the idiocy of the modern conservative movement when he drastically reduced military spending and proposed taxes to balance the budget. However the next Republican president (the retarded one) picked up right where Reagan left off: massive tax cuts and massive budget deficits simultaneously.
It's a shame the conservative movement is so committed to terrible public policy because there is a rich history there. Pat Buchanan is still one of my favorite public figures and I can only imagine how different our country would be if conservatives had gone that route instead of the low road.
saden1 06-20-2010, 12:52 AM I knew you'd come around, I told you I'd save you a seat at the GOP table. LOL
You guys could certainly use some color in those poorly lit rooms. I can be the table center piece or I'm I penciled-in as the table cloth?
GMScud 06-20-2010, 12:53 AM A "tax and spend" policy is always better than a "don't tax and spend" policy. False promise laden? He's really keeping up with majority of his promises (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/)...don't let the fact that he didn't promise you and your ilk things that please you cloud your judgment.
Now if only he can muster the will to get us out of the two wars your kids will be in a better position in the future. Let's pray that he makes the right call and we pack up and go home.
As far as the promise things goes, I guess it just depends on who you ask:
A Long Post: The Complete List of Obama Statement Expiration Dates - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/4701/long-post-complete-list-obama-statement-expiration-dates)
Obama is spending at a terrifying rate. Your tax and spend comment is typical. Instead of acknowledging the problem stated, you create a scenario that would be worse and use it as a justification for the problem at hand (once again invoking the "he's not W" argument. Old and tired). He's talking of helping future generations while effing them in the process.
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