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NYCskinfan82 07-05-2010, 09:02 AM San Diego Chargers Wide Receiver Vincent Jackson's Breakout Season Didn't Come Until His Forth Year in the NFL - Hogs Haven (http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/4/1551831/san-diego-chargers-wide-receiver#storyjump)
Some lite reading. Just 24 days until training camp starts.
HTTR.
artmonkforhallofamein07 07-05-2010, 09:41 AM Nice read nyc, i wonder how MS felt about our 2 WR two years ago when he drafted eddie royal for Denver? If he didnt feel that these 2 had something for him maybe thats why he isn't really giving him a fair shot now. Of course BA could be the one trying to push for VJ with mike not putting up much of a fight becuase he did like vj coming out college. I dont know time will tell how this goes down.
NYCskinfan82 07-05-2010, 09:56 AM I think with the better coaching we will be better. We don't need to get VJ but if the FO thinks yes then I'll role with their opinion.
HTTR.
Matty, did things change when Obama became president? Did Obama stop the crazy spending and the stupid revenue draining wars? Not trying to be political, but that is the best analogy that I can come up with. To quote George Carlin, "Forget the politicians, they are just there to make believe you have a choice, you don't, you have owners, they own you." Change general manager/new coach for politicians and you could possibly have the same situation in good ole DC. Like I stated before, the only thing that has thus far changed has been that the FA moves are somewhat smarter, meaning no more $100 million dollar contracts or over the hill old farts way past their prime. Our draft other than our #1 pick was questionable. We wasted picks on an undersize WR and yet another TE that was not needed. Yeah folks like to throw McNabb in as part of our draft, but he was a FA acquisition that cost us picks. Bottom line for me is that the overall philosophy seems to be win now and not really trying to build up the franchise over the long haul, which is what it was before Allen/Shanny was brought on board. I mean wasn't the big change we expected from these two was a solid long term plan to build up a perennial winner other than go for the big name FAs all the time? I know it is going to take time for the new FO to right the wrongs that were done under Vinny, but coming out going heavy on free agency doesn't bode well for me. And as for Snyder stepping back after over a decade of trying to be a clone of Jerry Jones, don't count on that being the case or lasting too long. He still is the guy signing the checks and a man with his ego isn't just going to do a 180 anytime soon.
Not a good analogy.
McNabb was a trade, not a free agent.
Anyway, what big name free agents have the Skins gone after? And I don't recall hearing how the only change that would be welcomed to DC was a long term rebuilding plan. Not sure about you but the change I want only involves one thing, and that's winning. And I don't care how they get to that goal.
skinsfan_nn 07-05-2010, 10:42 AM Chargers still playing hardball with Vincent Jackson
Twitter / Adam Schefter: League sources say Charger ... (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/17791904422)
Posted by Mike Florio on July 5, 2010 10:33 AM ET
The San Diego Chargers continue to put the screws to receiver Vincent Jackson.
The four-year veteran, who would have been an unrestricted free agent but for the disappearance of the salary cap, became a recipient of the highest possible restricted free agency tender. No one made a run at him during the RFA signing period, which isn't surprising given that only one player signed an offer sheet this year as a restricted free agent. With no long-term deal reached between the two sides (blame it on the uncertainty coming from the lack of a new CBA, or collusion), Jackson opted not to sign his tender offer.
As of June 15, the Chargers had the right to reduce the offer dramatically -- and so they did.
Since then, periodic accounts have emerged regarding the possibility that other teams would be interested in trading for Jackson. But no progress has been made.
Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Chargers aren't shopping Jackson, and they aren't interested in trading him.
So what is G.M. A.J. Smith trying to prove? He has declared both Jackson and tackle Marcus McNeill as players who have been "lost," but Smith still insists on squatting on their rights.
Does Smith not realize that, in the end, he's dealing with human beings -- and that a locker-room full of them will be watching this situation closely?
Smith, who once instructed that a photo of him be replaced in the team's media guide because it showed him smiling, has plenty of talent. Indeed, he has enough talent to overcome what looks to be a pretty serious personality defect, on that prompts him to treat his players like nameless, faceless pieces of property and to make no effort whatsoever to display basic interpersonal traits and emotions.
Maybe Smith has decided to keep his distance in order to avoid ever making dispassionate decisions based on anything other than the best football interests of the franchise. Maybe he's trying to avoid being perceived as soft.
Or maybe he's simply a big jerk.
Either way, his handling of Jackson makes no sense. The situation seems to be less about nudging the 2010 Chargers toward a championship (or at least winning a playoff game or two) and more about sending a message to Jackson and every other player regarding the power that NFL teams hold in the uncapped year.
And that could make it even harder for the 2010 Chargers to consistently sell those last couple of thousand tickets to their home games, unless the team plans to devote the money they won't be paying Jackson to buying the unsold seats at 34 cents on the dollar.
NYCskinfan82 07-05-2010, 10:58 AM What kind of message would it be sending we have a DL who is upset with were the media has been reporting he will be playing NT & wants a trade, then we go out and get a WR who is unhappy & wants more money.
HTTR.
artmonkforhallofamein07 07-05-2010, 12:20 PM I am not of the opinion this will get done anymore. I really want to see DT and Kelly get shot with this new offense. Coach Shanny should let these guys play in pads before he replaces them. DT has the ability to make plays andMK should be able to get it going with proper coaching. Coach these guys up and get it done.
I am not of the opinion this will get done anymore. I really want to see DT and Kelly get shot with this new offense. Coach Shanny should let these guys play in pads before he replaces them. DT has the ability to make plays andMK should be able to get it going with proper coaching. Coach these guys up and get it done.
Myself
12thMan 07-05-2010, 01:38 PM Chargers still playing hardball with Vincent Jackson
Twitter / Adam Schefter: League sources say Charger ... (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/17791904422)
Posted by Mike Florio on July 5, 2010 10:33 AM ET
The San Diego Chargers continue to put the screws to receiver Vincent Jackson.
The four-year veteran, who would have been an unrestricted free agent but for the disappearance of the salary cap, became a recipient of the highest possible restricted free agency tender. No one made a run at him during the RFA signing period, which isn't surprising given that only one player signed an offer sheet this year as a restricted free agent. With no long-term deal reached between the two sides (blame it on the uncertainty coming from the lack of a new CBA, or collusion), Jackson opted not to sign his tender offer.
As of June 15, the Chargers had the right to reduce the offer dramatically -- and so they did.
Since then, periodic accounts have emerged regarding the possibility that other teams would be interested in trading for Jackson. But no progress has been made.
Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Chargers aren't shopping Jackson, and they aren't interested in trading him.
So what is G.M. A.J. Smith trying to prove? He has declared both Jackson and tackle Marcus McNeill as players who have been "lost," but Smith still insists on squatting on their rights.
Does Smith not realize that, in the end, he's dealing with human beings -- and that a locker-room full of them will be watching this situation closely?
Smith, who once instructed that a photo of him be replaced in the team's media guide because it showed him smiling, has plenty of talent. Indeed, he has enough talent to overcome what looks to be a pretty serious personality defect, on that prompts him to treat his players like nameless, faceless pieces of property and to make no effort whatsoever to display basic interpersonal traits and emotions.
Maybe Smith has decided to keep his distance in order to avoid ever making dispassionate decisions based on anything other than the best football interests of the franchise. Maybe he's trying to avoid being perceived as soft.
Or maybe he's simply a big jerk.
Either way, his handling of Jackson makes no sense. The situation seems to be less about nudging the 2010 Chargers toward a championship (or at least winning a playoff game or two) and more about sending a message to Jackson and every other player regarding the power that NFL teams hold in the uncapped year.
And that could make it even harder for the 2010 Chargers to consistently sell those last couple of thousand tickets to their home games, unless the team plans to devote the money they won't be paying Jackson to buying the unsold seats at 34 cents on the dollar.
Just because the Chargers aren't shopping Jackson doesn't mean his agent isn't shopping him. There's a difference.
ibleedburgandy 07-05-2010, 03:54 PM I say leave VJ alone...The Skins don't need him! Just stick with Moss, Kelly and Thomas cause they'll have the ability of putting Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time. Imagine Moss, Cooley on one side with Davis and Thomas/Kelly on the other. Single back Portis/Johnson...no need for lead blocker with the oline zone blocking and spreading the D out. Sounds great...Doesn't it?
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