Ramsey

was it just me or did ramsey look a little flustered in the pocket the last quarter of the game? he kept hunkering down as if someone was about to hit him but the pass rush wasn't really that close. or maybe its just me. it was nice to see a qb with some accuracy atleast most of the time though, if only our receivers could actually hold onto the ball it would have been a far different game imo.

He played about as well as anyone could expect him to. I personally thought that he had a very respectable game also considering the fact that many of his receivers dropped balls, and his offensive lineman had numerous penalties in precarious situations where the Redskins were seemingly driving for Touchdowns. I think there are numerous positives that we can take from this game including the fact that we played extremely well despite a few penalities/ mishaps that kept us in the game up until we lost our concentration in the fourth quarter. I think that if we get all gears on the same functioning level we will have a shot to do very well in the remainder of our games. We are not a team that has been taken out of the game and blown out (crossing my fingers, of course), on the contrary we are very competitive, and I have confidence in this team and its abilities. Also consider the fact that we could have very easily have won many of the games that we were in up to the very last few minutes. Have faith, BELIEVE.

He played worse than I expected him to play. He completed exactly zero long passes and he produced exactoy zero TDs.

When he had men open downfield behind the last defender, he overthrew them EVERY time. I counted three of these plays; I'm not going to play back the tapes of the game to see if I mssed any.

Despite the assertions of his legion of fans on The Warpath, Patric Ramsey is - right now - a substantially sub-par QB in the NFL. That is not to say that he will not get better; he will. But as of today, he is not OK, and he's not average. He is way below average.

I stronly disagree SC, even though he didn't hit the few deep attempts he had, he did exactly what this offense asked him to do today. Be efficient and not make mistakes. He also did a great job at dropping back and getting rid of the ball quickly, something we really haven't seen from him very often.

There were at least 5-6 very catchable balls that were dropped, he could have easily been 27 of 34 had guys like Gardner been able to hang on to the ball.

To me, he played better than I expected. 1 sack, 1 garbage time INT, and he completed 62% of this throws despite the receivers best attempts to not catch the ball.

But like I've said before, the problems we have on offense are much deeper than at QB.

playcalling is one of those problems and then execution as well

You know... I have to completely disagree with the curmudgeon...

Ramsey might be just an average QB in the NFL... but "substantially sub=par"?? Let's recap last 2 years where he played under Steve (every one blasts me because they don't REALLY know football) Spurrier's system... his numbers..

296-564, 3705 yds, 23 TDs, 17 INTS, 53 passes of 20yds+ .... and 48 SACKS!

Now... either Spurrier wasn't galastically stupid like everyone says or Ramsey is at LEAST and average NFL quarterback. I realize its been said before on this site a million times... but honestly, if you look back through NFL history at the best QBS of all-time... their numbers through 564 passes would be below these numbers. And again let me reiterrate that these are "Spurrier-coached" numbers which means he was getting beat up pretty regularly because of our "sub-par" offensive line... enough to make ANY young QB gun-shy.

As far as today goes... he was VERY accurate on the short passes (watching him was like watching Joe Montana after having to sit through Brunell's ducks, even on short routes), he just has to get comfortable enough to where he doesnt feel like he has to force a ball in deep... he needs just a little more loft on those and let the reciever run under them... thats game-speed rust if u ask me... 53 passes over 20 yards the past 2 seasons proves that...

i agree man ramsey is good. he's been in 2 systems now including one that might not have been very traditional as far as the nfl goes. but we're in a much worse position now than we were with spurrier offensively. spurrier had some loser as DC and i still think he'd do fine in the NFL... i guess thats off-topic...

the skins will not ever be decent unless we use who we gots. ramsey is a plenty good qb

Here is when you willknow that Patrick Ramsey is nor sub-par. You won't have to resort to yardage stats to justify his existence in the NFL.

ASk yourself this question: What is the team's won/loss record when he starts?

Now that losing record - and I guarantee you it is a losing record without going to look it up - is certainly not all his fault. But above average QBs can win some games that the rest of the team tries ot give away.

Really good QBs are ones that are feared around the league by defenive coordinators - not because of their yardage stats - because they win games by taking them over. Is Ramsey there yet?

Then there are the great QBs...

When you stop having to refer to Ramsey's stats and as a way to rub salve on your hurt feelings about the Redskins losing another game, that's when he will REALLY be a good QB. Until then, keep reveling in the stats as the losses pile up.

Here is when you willknow that Patrick Ramsey is nor sub-par. You won't have to resort to yardage stats to justify his existence in the NFL.

ASk yourself this question: What is the team's won/loss record when he starts?

Now that losing record - and I guarantee you it is a losing record without going to look it up - is certainly not all his fault. But above average QBs can win some games that the rest of the team tries ot give away.

Really good QBs are ones that are feared around the league by defenive coordinators - not because of their yardage stats - because they win games by taking them over. Is Ramsey there yet?

Then there are the great QBs...

When you stop having to refer to Ramsey's stats and as a way to rub salve on your hurt feelings about the Redskins losing another game, that's when he will REALLY be a good QB. Until then, keep reveling in the stats as the losses pile up.

It's late so I'm probably reading this wrong but are you essentially saying that Craig Krenzel at 3-0 (going into this weekend) is a good QB, better even than Ramsey? Who would you rather have?

No, I do not think Krenzel is any good.

The win over the Titans is an example of why. Thje offense generated all of 3 points. Krenzel had about 100 yards passing and a QB rating of 20 or so. The defense scored a TD on an interception return by a defensive lineman the special teams ascored a TD on a punt return. That gave the Bears 17 points and forced a tie and sent the gaem to OT.

In OT, the defense won the game with a safety.

That does not make Krenzel the hero or the guy who "won the game" I'd take Ramsey with his right arm in a sling before I'd take Krenzel.