What is necessary for us to be raised to the next level?

If DM is not resigned, and signs a 4 year 60 mill contract somewhere else, would we be entitled to a compensatory 2-3 rounder? that would dull the pain.

If DM is not resigned, and signs a 4 year 60 mill contract somewhere else, would we be entitled to a compensatory 2-3 rounder? that would dull the pain.

He will resign, but if he doesn't the best compensation we can get is a late/untradeable 3rd.

More than anything, we need more time with the new systems. More playmakers on both sides is a given.

As far as Torain goes, I'm a fan but I'm not convinced he's the long term answer as the starter either. He's a grinder, but not a home run threat. It would be nice to find someone that can really scare a D with big play ability.

I agree, I have him as a backup RB on my fantast teams, although I traded him in one because the guy offered me killer WRs for him and he didn't have any feature backs.

We need another year or two with this scheme like you say, but we do need to start drafting smarter. Not saying just get better with scouting, but actually try to address team needs no matter what. If we need O linemen badly draft a few. A prime example was with Gibb's last or next to last draft when he got those 3 RBs. Why get 3 RBs since we had CP, Betts, and Cartwright? I could maybe see one, but two of those picks could have gone toward the line. Granted mid round picks usually don't amount to much, but you might find a gem or just upgrade your backups. This past draft we wasted some picks in my opinion, especially with that TE we drafted. You have Cooley and Davis, and on top of that you badly needed linemen. WE could have at least drafted a LB to gain an additional one for the 3-4.

nobody's stating the obvious...our seconday absolutly stinks. Other than Landry, the rest of these guys need to go to the UFL!! Carlos Rodgers can't catch a cold, Reed Doughty...can't even comment, and Deangelo Hall is all talk. These guys don't scare anybody

I agree 0%.

Carlos is an excellent cover corner. D-Hall is a playmaker and good cover guy as well. Buchanon is a solid nickel/backup CB.

Our safeties are not bad. Landry is a star of course, Kareem Moore is a solid young player with some progress yet to be made (dropping INTs), but is improving. Doughty is a solid tackler, but bad cover guy and Horton...not sure. Horton looked to be a great player in his rookie year but has been unseen since.

Overall, our secondary is pretty good I'd say. If a few guys could learn to catch the ball, we'd be intimidating. Seems like our cover guys can cover but not tackle and our playmakers can get their hands on the ball but can't tackle.

Landry can do everything though.

I agree 100%.

IMO our secondary is the strongest unit on the team (except maybe QB).

Los is having his best year yet, he's really becoming a great shutdown corner if not already. I say this cuz I haven't heard his name all year. As for the drops, I came to grips with it a while back. Trust me you just have to accept it you will be much happier. I used to be like "Fckn Rogers!!! :madani:". Now I'm more like "Oh Carlos...:laughing2".

Hall's average in coverage but he'll make a play when it's there. He reminds me of some of the Bears guys. He's fine. So far I've seen 2 great plays from Buchanon (last week), but at least 6 brutal ones this year. I'm not sold but there's hope. Moore can't tackle and Doughty can't cover. If we could meld them together we'd have a pro bowler.

And of course Landry. Really coming into his own. Hope they don't start fining him with the "new rules".

Don't know why this secondary wouldn't scare anybody, we've knocked like 25 guys out this year.

Big, strong, young bad asses in the middle of the field. DT, OG and C. Imagine how much greater Landry and Orakpo could be if the D line could really take up blockers. On the O-line, get that unit to be as great as the ones Shan had in Denver. It wasn't by accident that he could plug any RB in there and gain 1000 yds. I'd take care of that in the draft, and try to sign a proven #1 WR via trade or FA.

And please stop with the WR talk, I can't take it anymore.

WR is the most overrrated position in football. Why were the Lions so sh*t every year? Cuz they kept blowing picks on fckn RECEIVERS! How many bowls has TO won??

When I was 10 years old I thought the Fun Bunch was the best unit on the Skins. Now that I'm in my thirties I've come to realize it was the Hogs. Spending valuable picks to add a #1 WR to this team is like putting a spoiler on a car with no engine or wheels. It's retarted. Like others on this site have mentioned, you build a winner from the inside out.

Our OL SUCKS. TW looks solid but jeez Lichtenberger and Rabach and Brown and Hicks and Heyer...:doh:
You want a nose tackle? Fine we definitely need one if we're gonna play the 3-4. I wouldn't mind a LB either. I'm starting to see cracks in Fletch's armor. The guy was in the super bowl in the 90s, he can't last forever. We're gonna need a new captain soon. And we have to think about QB next draft if not this one (and McNabb must be resigned).

Give me OLs, DLs, LBs, DBs, QBs... but NO WRs!!! I'd rather they draft Durant Brooks again (Vinny :doh:) than draft Taylor Devin Kelly (well not really but...).

Switching to the 3-4 was never the answer. Teams who have historically used the 3-4 (and the ones who switched recently and have been successful) have been successful because of the culture of how they play. BAL no longer uses the 3-4 base and still tear it up. Even after they have went through many defensive coordinators.