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Ruhskins 02-18-2011, 04:04 PM The NT position doesnt have a first round star, but there is some real quality talent in it. I would be thrilled grab someone from that group.
We should pick Phil Taylor with the 2nd rounder. Although I would like for the team to pick up Soliai in free agency, and maybe pick up a NT in the later round. Especially if Bryant is as good as he was towards the end of the season.
PHazard 02-19-2011, 02:02 PM So the General Consensus is regardless of what we want, if Blaine Gabbert or Cam Newton are there at #10 Shahanan is gonna take him right? K. While this is a deep class, its a deep class for potential, not for definite producers. I feel like there are more Boom or Bust players in this draft then in recent drafts. After QB, our needs are as follows in order (because of our draft position and who is available) OLB, DE, CB, OL, WR, NT, FS
OLB- I highly doubt Von Miller drops to us, but we said the same thing about Brian Orakpo so nothing is certain. Even so, He is on the smaller side and i think his pash rush is going to be more limited at the pro level facing much more skilled/larger OTs. Plus, can he hold up for a 16 or 18 game season at his size battling in the trenches?
Then there is Robert Quinn. Looked like he had a lot of potential as a sophmore (off-field concerns aside). Now he has been off for a year, so u have to make sure hes still in playing shape (i believe at the combine he will prove that he is), and if you look at his tape sophmore year, yeah, he put up good numbers, but over half his sacks came against far inferior talent. Then u add the aspect of the dreaded "Lets move a college 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB." If OLB is the way we go i would take Quinn over Miller. Seems like a safer pick. Akeem Ayers, if we trade down
DE - I see most mock drafts have us taking DE Cameron Jordan if they already have Blaine Gabbert & Cam Newton off the board. I have no problem with this pick, its not a sexy pick but it would be a safe one. Cameron Jordan is great with his hands, doesnt have the speed to be a great Pass rusher around the edge but keeps great leverage and has an awesome bull rush. We could also kick him in at DT in Nickel & Dime packages. We could do that with another player in Marcell Dareus. I doubt he slips to us but he would also be great value at 10. JJ Watt is another dominating 3-4 DE. If Shanahans go with the safe but not sexy pick, this would at least be the position. Trade down option: Adrian Clayborn. I DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT wanna see Ryan Kerrigan in a Redskins uniform next year under any 1st round circumstances.
CB - With Carlos Rogers thinking hes worth more than he is, and DeAngelo Hall letting up the 2nd most yards of any CB in the league (that makes him 62nd out of 64 possible starting corners), this position has become a huge concern. Everyone knows how great Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara are so i wont go into detail but i highly doubt either slip to us. Jimmy Smith is not worth the #10 pick but would be a possible Trade down option.
OL -Simply NO offensive lineman worth a #10 pick in this draft. We could reach but we're drafting at #10 for a reason, with so lil draft picks, we cant afford to reach. Trade down option: All 1st round Olineman (Costanzo, Solder, Smith, Carimi, Pouncey, etc.)
WR - AJ Green does not fall to us. No one here likes Julio Jones as a #1 WR prospect? Hmmmmm....Im a fan of Julio Jones, will be interesting to see his agility and speed drills at the combine to see if he is worth a #10 pick.
People need to stop worrying about Jake Locker at #10. No one is gonna even consider him till pick #25. He is a trade down option or we might be able to grab Locker in the 2nd round. Kaepernick and Ponder will also be in play there if we didnt grab Gabbert or Newton at #10.
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PHazard 02-19-2011, 02:04 PM I guess that would make my list
Blaine Gabbert/Cam Newton
Robert Quinn
Marcell Dareus
Cameron Jordan
JJ Watt
Peterson/Amukamara
OL
Julio Jones
NC_Skins 02-19-2011, 03:07 PM No QB worth drafting at the #10 spot (certainly not Newton) so I hope we go with DL or OLB. That Miller kid was getting owned by the tackle from Nebraska so I imagine he'd be useless in the NFL at pass rushing at his weight.
Shadowbyte 02-19-2011, 03:50 PM From the way it's looking now Cam Newton won't be around at # 10. At this point I say we trade down and see if we can procure some more picks.
BuckSkin 02-19-2011, 04:41 PM I would be more than pleased to trade down, but I'm afraid we'll be unable to find a trading partner. If you look around at the teams ahead of us most of them are thinking the same thing to fill holes. #10 is a good trading spot because of the drop off in salary, but the compensation is the same.
rypper11 02-20-2011, 02:02 PM I'd like to get Cameron Jordan @10 even if there is qb's available. He's ready to start as a 3-4 RE now. Phil Taylor (NT, Baylor) in the second round and then best available OLB, ILB, FS and CB to round out the draft. IMO, a defensive heavy draft this year to go with some good key young guys already on the roster (Jarmon, Barnes, Bryant, Carriker and Rob Jackson) and studs Landry and Orakpo is the best way to go.
We obviously didn't have 3-4 personnel before we made the change and it cost the 2010 season.
SkinzWin 02-20-2011, 02:12 PM I'd like to get Cameron Jordan @10 even if there is qb's available. He's ready to start as a 3-4 RE now. Phil Taylor (NT, Baylor) in the second round and then best available OLB, ILB, FS and CB to round out the draft. IMO, a defensive heavy draft this year to go with some good key young guys already on the roster (Jarmon, Barnes, Bryant, Carriker and Rob Jackson) and studs Landry and Orakpo is the best way to go.
We obviously didn't have 3-4 personnel before we made the change and it cost the 2010 season.
How about a project QB in the mid to late rounds? I would like to add that to the list, but other than that I agree. Except I'd take Von Miller over Jordan if he was still there at 10.
CultBrennan59 02-20-2011, 03:05 PM I'd like to get Cameron Jordan @10 even if there is qb's available. He's ready to start as a 3-4 RE now. Phil Taylor (NT, Baylor) in the second round and then best available OLB, ILB, FS and CB to round out the draft. IMO, a defensive heavy draft this year to go with some good key young guys already on the roster (Jarmon, Barnes, Bryant, Carriker and Rob Jackson) and studs Landry and Orakpo is the best way to go.
We obviously didn't have 3-4 personnel before we made the change and it cost the 2010 season.
Why is everyone so high on this guy? He seems like another Adam Carriker, just getting noticed after senior bowl, type of prospect.
And to the other comment. I say if we don't get a QB in the first or second round this year, then don't bother getting one until next year, because after Newton Mallet Gabbert and Locker, the QB's in this years class suck. Yes even Andy the ginger Dalton isn't pro ready IMO, he's a backup in the NFL at best.
SBXVII 02-20-2011, 03:19 PM I'd take NT, a DE/LB, or RT, or C. Basically DL or OL it doesn't matter in which order so long as the team takes BPA at one of those needs.
Then I'd take that "shitty" QB Dalton or the other "shitty" QB Ponder in the second round. Honestly it doesn't matter who we take at QB. The only QB to know the system well enough is Grossman. Even one of the best QB's couldn't understand the whole system in one offseason (McNabb) so I doubt whoever is brought in is going to start right away.
The team might as well beef up the OL so no matter who is at QB they are not running for their life or getting it almost every play.
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