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heybigstar
12-15-2004, 02:01 PM
just put 300 on the skins, the line is 4 points now, but i bought a point, so the line is -3, and the pay off is 215, i havent bet in a while, but ur right.. this should be a win....
unfortunately, nothing is ever a sure thing ....

sportscurmudgeon
12-15-2004, 03:14 PM
irish:

You just made my point. You want the 49ers with 14 points but the line is only 3.5.

The 49ers offense is slightly better than the Giant's offense - but nothing to write home about. Don't check the yardage stats and tell me that the Giants gain more yards per game than the 49ers because those averages include the early season games before the Giants went to Eli Manning and their offense came apart at the seams. The 49ers are not a good running team and if they become one-dimensional the Skins' blitzing defense can handle Dorsey. That is not Michael Vick back there in terms of "escapability".

The 49ers defense is not as good as the Giants' defense even with all the injuries in NY.

Unless the Skins come out totally flat and unfocused, this game should resemble the Giants' game from a couple of weeks ago.

irish
12-16-2004, 08:38 AM
I want the 14 points because you are giving it to me and only an idiot would pass up that deal.

These Vegas lines have nothing to do with respect and are rarely as far off as you suggest this line is. The reason this line is as close as it is is because unbiased outsiders who really pay attention to football and everything that goes into creating a Vegas line have calculated that these teams are not as much different. Sure the skins have a great D but the O cant score and I'm sure that lack of scoring ability is what weighed heavily on the decision to make this line as low as it is.

irish
12-16-2004, 08:57 AM
Looking at the stats I found what could be a way to justify the spread. The skins average 14.1 ppg on O and give up 16.8 ppg on D. SF averages 17.6 ppg on O and gives up 28 ppg on D. Averaging what the skins score on O (14.1) with what SF gives up on D (28) gives a number of 21 ppg. Doing the same for SF and averaging what SF gets on O (17.6) with what the skins give up on D (16.8) gives a number of 17.2 ppg. So from those averages we get a final score of:

Skins 21
SF 17

Thats pretty close to the Vegas line.

Redskins_P
12-16-2004, 09:15 AM
Looking at the stats I found what could be a way to justify the spread. The skins average 14.1 ppg on O and give up 16.8 ppg on D. SF averages 17.6 ppg on O and gives up 28 ppg on D. Averaging what the skins score on O (14.1) with what SF gives up on D (28) gives a number of 21 ppg. Doing the same for SF and averaging what SF gets on O (17.6) with what the skins give up on D (16.8) gives a number of 17.2 ppg. So from those averages we get a final score of:

Skins 21
SF 17

Thats pretty close to the Vegas line.

I have to disagree w/ you irish. Look at how our D played against the most explosive offense in the NFC. We held them to 17 points. So, I don't see how the 49ers can even put up 10 on us. They have a mediocre at best running game ( I think our running game is much better ) and they have no downfield threats at WR.

I could careless about what both teams average. We scored 31 points on the Giants, and were a couples short of beating the Eagles. I don't pay attention to the "averages".

irish
12-16-2004, 09:23 AM
I tend to believe longer term averages that one or two game flash in the pans.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying the skins will lose I'm only saying they will barely cover the spread instead of the 14 point blowout some in this thread have suggested.

Redskins_P
12-16-2004, 09:30 AM
I hear ya irish. I think anyone who says we're losing this game has some serious issues.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think we can crush these guys. We're coming off a tough loss, and I think the players still want make a statement in these last 3 games. We shall see.

irish
12-16-2004, 09:35 AM
Redskins P, I'll see you back here Monday to discuss how right (or wrong) we were. I hope you are right though.

Redskins_P
12-16-2004, 09:38 AM
Redskins P, I'll see you back here Monday to discuss how right (or wrong) we were. I hope you are right though.


Shoot, me too irish!! I hope I'm right. I'll be looking for you on Monday ;)

irish
12-20-2004, 08:03 AM
Ok P, at least the skins won but had the D not scored that TD my score would have been almost exactly correct. The O is pathetic and until those problems are fixed this team cannot be taken seriously.

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