Was Jamie Dukes out of line on Ryan Mallett?

I think some fans need to get on the same page as this dude from that article.

If I had to choose between a (quarterback) with great intangibles and average talent or (a quarterback with) average intangibles and great talent, I'd take the (stronger) intangibles every time." one veteran NFL executive said.

That's why you say hell no to guys like Newton and Clausen.

"Only the tip of the iceberg has (been reported) about (Newton)," one NFL executive said. "He has won two national championships, won the Heisman (Trophy) and had great production in one year. He's an athlete with a strong arm. But there is so much there. ... Mark my words — the team that drafts him will have an owner who reports to himself or a GM who is planning to be retired on the beach in three years."

haha....a GM said this about Newton. I feel the same way.

I remember the same stuff was said about Dan Marino when he came out. He partied too much, he used drugs and so on. What college kid hasn't smoked a little weed? I'd focus more on what the guy did on the field and what his teammates and coaches think of the him.

I guess a lot depends on the team. Personally, while I don't think we're the Bengals, I don't think our team is fit to handle a rookie with questionable character issues.

I think some fans need to get on the same page as this dude from that article.



That's why you say hell no to guys like Newton and Clausen.



haha....a GM said this about Newton. I feel the same way.

Thats all well and good but I don't want anaverage QB that's a great guy either. Jason Campbell was a great guy...I don't have a bad word to say about him except that he wasn't good enough. I am ready for the Redskins to have the complete package Great ability and great intangables....

Thats all well and good but I don't want anaverage QB that's a great guy either. Jason Campbell was a great guy...I don't have a bad word to say about him except that he wasn't good enough. I am ready for the Redskins to have the complete package Great ability and great intangables....


Jason Campbell was a 2-3 round grade talent. Gibbs was a fool to trade up into the first round to pick him up. He had 2 RBs while at Auburn that both went in the top 5 of that draft. He had ONE good year while at Auburn, and his other years were absolutely crap to the point where he was benched twice.

In fact, the same flaws that were scouted on JC were the same flaws he displayed here in DC. I'll run them down for you.


Analysis: Positives... Has a very strong throwing arm and quick feet to avoid pressure, but is better suited throwing out of the pocket. ... Does a nice job of carrying out fakes and has a quick, high release with the strength to get the ball downfield. ... Is developing good toughness in the pocket and no longer looks for a rush lane or to hold on to the ball too long when his primary targets are covered. ... In 2004, Campbell had very good success with the deep outs, fades and posts. ... Shows better timing and the ability to give his receivers a chance to compete for the ball than he did in the past. ... Does a good job maneuvering when forced out of the pocket, but is better standing in the pocket than on the roll out, as he is more effective when he has a chance to time his throws. ... His natural athletic skills are what makes him an intriguing prospect, but understand that this is a player that has had to digest four different offensive systems during his four years in college. ... Made excellent progress in most areas of his game over the last year. ... Used to lock on to his main target too much, but coach Al Borges showed him that with patience, he does a much better job of scanning the field or taking hits stepping up in the pocket.

Negatives... Still, for a player of his size, he shows good mobility. ... When he rolls out of the pocket, he will sometimes hold the ball low and exposed, resulting in costly fumbles. ... Still needs to show better judgement, but has the power behind his throws to thread the ball in a crowd. ... His touch on his long ball has improved quite a bit, but he still needs to work on his underneath throws. ... Still has not fully grasped the mental aspect of calling his own game yet, and will need to have the plays called for him until he can prove that he can handle play-calling on his own. ... Does well in school (3.0 grade point average). His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February. ... Needs to work on some fundamentals, especially his feet in his pass set, but he has the quickness to get back from center. ... Made more sound decisions in 2004 than he did in the past, but he still must improve in reading coverages.

Cliffnotes: JC should have never been drafted by us to start with. Especially in the first round expecting him to be NFL starting potential.

Oh God, not this again. :doh:

Oh God, not this again. :doh:

I apologize....lol I'll do my best to keep the JC rants inside next time. :)

I remember the same stuff was said about Dan Marino when he came out. He partied too much, he used drugs and so on. What college kid hasn't smoked a little weed? I'd focus more on what the guy did on the field and what his teammates and coaches think of the him.

Well, this is only 2nd hand knowledge I have, but from what I had heard it wasn't smoking some weed at a party. These were serious hard drugs that he allegedly used before and after games.

But that's just rumor so who know really. He's struck me as much smarter than I had thought. If we still had say Gibbs and Saunders here I'd be tempted to take a chance on him. But under this offense, not so much

Jason Campbell was a 2-3 round grade talent. Gibbs was a fool to trade up into the first round to pick him up. He had 2 RBs while at Auburn that both went in the top 5 of that draft. He had ONE good year while at Auburn, and his other years were absolutely crap to the point where he was benched twice.

In fact, the same flaws that were scouted on JC were the same flaws he displayed here in DC. I'll run them down for you.




Cliffnotes: JC should have never been drafted by us to start with. Especially in the first round expecting him to be NFL starting potential.

I agree with everything in your post except "Gibbs was a fool". There are no circumstances that would ever make that an accurate statement.

If you listen to most scouting reports out there this year it appears that a lot of the QB's in this draft are really 2nd round talent that may get pushed up into the 1st round because of QB needy teams.

Rumors say Mallett liked the nose candy, much different problem than smoking a little weed.

NFL Draft: Ryan Mallett focused on the future - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6348822)