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Monkeydad 06-28-2011, 02:35 PM We need football. This ish is ridiculous guys.
Agreed!
We need to sign Nnamdi!
Someday when I have a few free hours, I'll come back and read your book, SBXVII.
hooskins 06-28-2011, 04:20 PM I love how so many people are running here to defend the police and assume Dockett was doing something wrong. Innocent before guilty, anyone? I refuse to give the cops or the govt a blank check to do whatever they want to.
Ef the police*
*if they are overstepping their bounds
Alvin Walton 06-28-2011, 04:23 PM This is a football thread on the front page????
Must be a lockout going on or sumpthin.
SBXVII 06-28-2011, 11:16 PM mlmpetert,
I just have a problem with the assertion “if you have nothing to hide” youll submit to an officer searching your car. There is nothing wrong with saying no. I have no problem with a officer asking, but I think its admirable that Docket said no, as a celebrity he’s showing fans and kids, who may be more likely to be victims of police abuse, that theres nothing wrong with saying no.
Ok, I think my issue is that players are getting stopped "legally" and they are tweeting as if they are just another innocent black man getting pulled over and harrassed by the Po Po, then fans jump on board and slam the police. Lets look at it this way, how many law enforcement officers are there across America? and out of all those you only hear about the 1% who are bad. Yet because of those all officers are bad because they all want to violate your rights. Thats like me saying I visited another message board and the MODS there act like Nazi's, so of course I would say I hate MODS because their all Nazi's with control issue's. < I don't think that way but you get my point.
I'm not advocating letting the officer search your car. What I'm saying is from the police view point it's ... if you are not doing anything illegal then you have no reason to not let the officer look. Is it a right way to think? No. But thats reality. All I was doing was passing on some friendly advise as to how to keep the Po Po from wanting to search your car. Simply put don't do anything illegal or have anything illegal on your person or in your car, but that should be a given.... all I suggested was be polite and say no you'd rather they not search your car. But for just a moment put your self in the officers position... 1 out of 10 cars on the road will have drugs in it, logically if I search 10 cars I'm bound to find drugs, so if I have probable cause I search and if I don't I ask, my chances of finding drugs and getting an adda boy from my boss just increased. I'm sure you all want to make your boss happy as do they. and I pointed out that their asking to search is like your neighbor asking to search your car... you can always say no.
53Fan 06-28-2011, 11:47 PM I love how so many people are running here to defend the police and assume Dockett was doing something wrong. Innocent before guilty, anyone? I refuse to give the cops or the govt a blank check to do whatever they want to.
Ef the police*
*if they are overstepping their bounds
Amen Brother!
SBXVII 06-29-2011, 12:39 AM I love how so many people are running here to defend the police and assume Dockett was doing something wrong. Innocent before guilty, anyone? I refuse to give the cops or the govt a blank check to do whatever they want to.
Ef the police*
*if they are overstepping their bounds
I love how so many people are running here to agree with and or defend Dockett and assume the police did something wrong.
I think it's Innocent until proven guilty. and by the way... the cops and gov. don't have a blank check to do whatever they want, the checks and balances is called court ,IF, you are charged with a crime. Go to court and explain that the cop violated your rights, if he did the Judge will throw out all charges and the cop will be repremanded. Which also opens the door for you to file a suit against the cop and his department.
If your not charged yet you feel your rights were violated then simply file a complaint with the department. Most police cars have camera's which record the whole incident. If there is any wrong doing the department will repremand or fire the cop. If there are several complaints from different people that are proven to be true, guaranteed the cop gets fired.
Unless you'd prefer to just tweet your complaint so everyone see's but nothing gets accomplished.
JPPT1974 06-29-2011, 12:57 AM No wonder I like blogs better than Twitter. As you really don't want to know what I do in my private life like five minutes at a time. You know what I mean?
hooskins 06-29-2011, 09:34 AM I am not saying Dockett didn't do anything wrong. I am saying, I don't just assume he is and side with the police. Do people do illegal things and deserve to be pulled over? Yes. Do police and other authority sometimes stereotype against certain groups of people? Yes. Not sure what happened in this situation, but I will not blindly side with the authorities just because we have a court system. I am glad we have avenues to counter authorities overstepping their bounds, but that's not my point. I am going to give a citizen the benefit of the doubt over authorities any day of the week. Once I see proof against the person in question, then I will change my position.
I don't care about his tweets either. Not really what I was looking at. But it's freedom of speech. He can say whatever wants to.
NC_Skins 06-29-2011, 10:11 AM Ok, I think my issue is that players are getting stopped "legally" and they are tweeting as if they are just another innocent black man getting pulled over and harrassed by the Po Po,
How exactly do you know he was stopped "legally"? Cops aren't allowed to stop cars without cause. Cops lie ALL the time. Just because they wear a badge and uniform doesn't make them any better than the crooks they often arrest. In fact, you see some that are worse than the crooks they arrest.
Defensewins 06-29-2011, 10:24 AM mlmpetert,
Ok, I think my issue is that players are getting stopped "legally" and they are tweeting as if they are just another innocent black man getting pulled over and harrassed by the Po Po, then fans jump on board and slam the police. Lets look at it this way, how many law enforcement officers are there across America? and out of all those you only hear about the 1% who are bad. Yet because of those all officers are bad because they all want to violate your rights. Thats like me saying I visited another message board and the MODS there act like Nazi's, so of course I would say I hate MODS because their all Nazi's with control issue's. < I don't think that way but you get my point.
I'm not advocating letting the officer search your car. What I'm saying is from the police view point it's ... if you are not doing anything illegal then you have no reason to not let the officer look. Is it a right way to think? No. But thats reality. All I was doing was passing on some friendly advise as to how to keep the Po Po from wanting to search your car. Simply put don't do anything illegal or have anything illegal on your person or in your car, but that should be a given.... all I suggested was be polite and say no you'd rather they not search your car. But for just a moment put your self in the officers position... 1 out of 10 cars on the road will have drugs in it, logically if I search 10 cars I'm bound to find drugs, so if I have probable cause I search and if I don't I ask, my chances of finding drugs and getting an adda boy from my boss just increased. I'm sure you all want to make your boss happy as do they. and I pointed out that their asking to search is like your neighbor asking to search your car... you can always say no.
Are these numbers from the trusted and official 'I make shit up' stat book?
The numbers vary from location to location. There are good police and there are bad, just like regular folks. It is difficult to put a number to it.
Just know that if you are in a known drug corridor and you are a person of color, you will be treated differently than a white grandmother. Profiling is real and it exists big time. "Cause" to search a vehicle is very easily invented. Your word against his.
Yesterday I drove on I-10 from San Antonio to Houston. There were three cars pulled over by police along the way. All three cars were getting searched by police and the occupants were standing outside the car dumbfounded. They were not handcuffed, so you know they were not caught red-handed. It was a fishing expedition on the part of the police.
Highway offenses are low hanging fruit. Mean time violent crimes go on in big cities, all while the police are setting up speed traps on the highways. Not a good use of man power, but writing tickets is a good and easy source of income for the city government.
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