Tripoli About to be Taken Over by Rebels

Getting conflicting reports on Gaddafi so I dropped that from the title. Heard his son was captured and he was killed. Not sure now.

I heard his son surrendered during a firefight. So now I'm definitely not sure.

Think I heard that one surrendered and the other was captured

It's about time that the regime change was completed and the bloodshed (hopefully) was finally brought to an end.

Yeah, but to who's benefit is Qaddafi's overthrow? The whole thing was orchestrated because Qaddafi was going to nationalize the oil completely. He gave the Libyan people a pretty good deal. A newly married couple got free housing, real cheap food prices, gas prices were ridiculously low. Free college and a car to go with it. I know the guy was a sponsor of terrorism in the 80's, but he pretty much did a 180 from that. Helped the CIA against Al Qaeda, etc. To me we have 3 possible outcomes: an Islamist state, a true pro Western democracy, or just another puppet regime of the West. In two of the 3 cases it will be bad for us. We do not need another Islamist regime so close to Europe, and if we set up a puppet regime, that will take away the freebies, you will eventually get another anti West regime change later on down the road. I can hear those crazy fools yelling "Great Satan" a few years down the road. We really should have let the Europeans handle this, and if they couldn't let them fall. NATO is of no use to the United States anymore, and is a big economic liability.

Yeah what plays out in Libya now will be interesting.

Agree, this is a lot different from what happened in Egypt. The opposition seems less organized and has shown no problem spilling blood. This could get really ugly if the UN, Italy, France etc. doesnt get a security force in there. Lotta loyalist in Tripoli and Tripoli is a big city. Gaddafi's resistence not to leave is gonna end up costing alot of lives in that country.

Agree, this is a lot different from what happened in Egypt. The opposition seems less organized and has shown no problem spilling blood. This could get really ugly if the UN, Italy, France etc. doesnt get a security force in there. Lotta loyalist in Tripoli and Tripoli is a big city. Gaddafi's resistence not to leave is gonna end up costing alot of lives in that country.


I think that is the idea, get Western boots on the ground to physically take over the nation ala Afghanistan and dictate by setting up a puppet regime. Those loyalists aren't going away, and a lot of Libyans will join them if the new regime is forced to take IMF/ World Bank dictates and end the subsidies and the nice check they get from the oil profits. Oil profits that will now go mostly to BP and out of the country, where before most of the profits stayed in Libya. Many Libyans might be rejoicing now, but in 5-10 years they will be looking back at the good ole days of Qadaffi. Food prices and gas prices are really going to rise for those people. I mean 15 cents for a loaf of bread, free housing for newlyweds, free college and a car, etc. Cheap utilities, that will no doubt be forced by the IMF/World Bank to be privatized for profit, which is what all this crap is about.

The oil is the big thing. Every time the US/UK intervenes, throws a coup or invades, it is about natural resources(oil) or pipelines(Afghanistan). In fact we helped put Qaddafi in charge because King Isidris was going to nationalize the oil. The Iraqi Royal Family was gunned down in a coup for wanting to get a fair shake from BP. And the granddaddy of them all, the 1953 coup against Mossadekh in Iran. Every time someone in the ME want to nationalize or partially nationalize their oil, they get taken down. The new twist to all this is if a ME nation pushes for a diversification of what currency ME oil is bought in. Saddam wanted it to be bought in Euros, the Iranians want the same thing. We already took out Saddam, and are itching to take out Iran. The nuclear crap is just another WMD type fiasco. Enriched uranium at 20% isn't close to being weapons grade, and the Mossad is definitely in there, and will take care of them if they ever did come close to weapons grade uranium/plutonium. They whack nuclear scientists at will in Iran. The fact that Israel now has 6 Dauphin nuclear attack subs from Germany should dispel any fear that the Iranians are going to nuke Israel or anybody else. If the Israelis even have one of those subs fully armed with nukes, they can blackmail the entire ME, in doing their bidding. If they have all 6 armed with nukes, well all bets are off. They would have to power to wipe out entire continents if not the entire globe.

Well........I paid $3.85 at the pump for diesel yesterday. Do you see that going up or down...God, I hope the UK doesn't get all the diesel!

Hard to tell, but gas went sky high even after we took Iraq, so who knows. Remember now , it is all about monopoly so prices could stay the same or go a bit higher. I doubt BP is going to ramp up production, just take over what Qaddafi nationalized or wanted to.

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