I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.

Yes, I'm a horrible fan because I actually want the Skins to lose to Seattle.

I admit it. But, at least, my motive is as pure as the driven slush. It's because this season is lost, we're finally rebuilding, and I believe that this is the draft class where we will be able to acquire our Franchise QB - if we have a high enough draft pick.

Since this season is lost, at this point there is no way that I want Seattle to finish with a worse record than ours. If they draft before we do, I can easily imagine them snatching away the QB we so desperately need. Let them win on Sunday and we'll score big in the draft.

Look, if Landry Jones and RGIII stay in school, that leaves us with one shot at our franchise QB - we need to draft Matt Barkley. There is no way we'll get him if Seattle (or Miami, for that matter) drafts ahead of us.

This season is lost, so forget about it. I actually hope we finish with the second worst record in the league and end up having our choice of Barkley, Landry, or RGIII. That way, no other team can get the next QB after the POS Colts draft Luck and we won't need to give up picks to move up. Plus we'll be drafting very high in the remaining rounds.

If we don't get the QB we need, we're all going to be miserable for a lot longer than the rest of this season.

As a Redskin fan I understand your pain and your desire for the Redskins to be winners in the future. I'm always hoping that the Redskins win, but I know the reality of what's ahead that will corner them into a 4-12 or 5-11 finish. Either way that rolls, the Redskins would be good for a 4th or 5th overall draft choice.

If Barkley, Jones, or Robert Griffin III or even Luck is considered heavily by Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan then they will trade whatever they have to in order to move up to take the QB that they want. Even if they miraculously win all of their remaining games and end up 9-7, Bruce and Mike will find a way to draft into the top 5.

As a fan, you should always want your team to win no matter what.

We picked 13th last year, and came away with a good draft. I can't put myself in a position to hope for a loss. I understand the logic behind it though.

We picked 13th last year, and came away with a good draft. I can't put myself in a position to hope for a loss. I understand the logic behind it though.

Actually we were slated to pick 10th but trading with Jacksonville and ended up selecting Kerrigan with the 16th overall draft choice, not the 13th.

We really don't have to have the second pick in the draft. We just have to finish worse than Miami and Seattle to get the our number two qb choice b/c Luck will be gone. And hope none of the other teams lacking quality qbs will trade up to get one because as of now everyone ranked lower than us other than the colts has recently drafted a qb that they seem pleased with (Carolina- Newton, St louis- Braford, and Minnesota- Ponder).

its all about unchecked aggression dude.

Calmer than you are, dude.

Mark it 8 dude

I never want the Redskins to lose a game. I however understand that our problem has been the QB positon for many years. I truly want us to draft a QB in the 1st round and groom him to be our guy for many years. But if Shanny and Bruce do draft a QB in the 1st round you fair weather fans most understand that Mike needs to bee here to see this thing through. Part of our losing is due to every 2-3 years changing coaches and QB's this has to stop or expect the losing to continue. So I want us to go out and try to win and if we come up short while playing our youngs guys then I can handle the losing to get in postion to slect a QB like Robert Griffin III.

I never want the Redskins to lose a game. I however understand that our problem has been the QB positon for many years. I truly want us to draft a QB in the 1st round and groom him to be our guy for many years. But if Shanny and Bruce do draft a QB in the 1st round you fair weather fans most understand that Mike needs to bee here to see this thing through. Part of our losing is due to every 2-3 years changing coaches and QB's this has to stop or expect the losing to continue. So I want us to go out and try to win and if we come up short while playing our youngs guys then I can handle the losing to get in postion to slect a QB like Robert Griffin III.

I understand your position, I really do. I hate seeing the Skins lose any games, when they are competing for a playoff spot or even just a winning record. However this season neither of those things is going to happen(obviously the playoffs are long gone and we would have to win out to finish with a winning record(neither of those things are happening).

So lose a few extra games this year and draft our starting QB for the next 10 years or go into another season with a re-tread QB or a low round pick? Remember it now seems like barkley and even jones might be going back for the final year

I dont know if anyone said this yet, I didnt read through the entire thread, but....

Im not sure we have a lot of say or choice in losing most of our final games. We have a really hard schedule.

Ten observations: Redskins 23, Seahawks 17 | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/11/ten-observations-redskins-23-seahawks-17)


4. Before we get to a few other things, have to address this: the notion that they shouldn’t win to preserve their draft pick. Have to say, I don’t understand that thinking. In the NBA? Sure. In that league there might be four or five potential impact players in a draft. In the NFL, there’s a heck of a lot more. That’s one point. The other: who knows which players will even come out? Matt Barkley doesn’t have to, for example. Maybe he will but do you know for sure? Besides, what if the QB you really like is, say, a guy who doesn’t project to a top-5 pick for whatever reason. And you really don’t know which direction you’re going to go until after the season, when you’ve had a chance to study these players. Besides, Mike Shanahan will be very aggressive trying to move up if there’s a guy he thinks he can get.

5. But here’s the biggest reason why you don’t do it: when you’re trying to establish a foundation for a winning franchise, you don’t get there by going 3-13 and losing 12 straight. That’s unbelievably short-sighted thinking. You go places by creating an atmosphere of success. If they go 3-13, then you’d be a heck of a lot less confident in the coaching staff, right? Well, so would some of the players. That’s a lock. Is that really what you want? If they go 4-12 they have many more issues than one QB can solve. And it would take a few years longer. I’d much rather see a team do what the Redskins did today: show some fight, overcome adversity and win. Yeah, the Seahawks aren’t very good. Yeah it could end up giving them a lower draft choice. But, again, while it’s obviously important to develop talent it’s just as important to establish a culture. I’d rather see a guy like Helu, clearly a part of the future in some way, have a big game and help lead a win.