CrazyCanuck
03-23-2012, 03:39 PM
ha, it's starting to get too warm for it, my gf actually digs it. we'll see
Move to Canada, it's mustache season all year long.
Move to Canada, it's mustache season all year long.
Redskins 2012 Salary Cap StatusCrazyCanuck 03-23-2012, 03:39 PM ha, it's starting to get too warm for it, my gf actually digs it. we'll see Move to Canada, it's mustache season all year long. los panda 03-23-2012, 03:47 PM i do miss the air up there, you can't describe the clear/fresh/pureness of it with words. i haven't been in over a decade. i have family outside of toronto GTripp0012 03-23-2012, 03:56 PM Good job. I have a few discrepencies: - Gano's 2012 salary and cap hit is $615K. - Monty's 2012 cap hit is $1.3M. His deal is 5 years not 4. Also seems the bonus he received was treated as signing bonus after all, so the $2.75M SB gets allocated at $550K per year for 5 years. So $700K salary + $550K cap bonus + $50K workout bonus = $1.3M. - Carriker's 2012 cap hit is $3.95M. Apparently because of the player-out-clause, the whole $3M bonus has to be expensed in 2012. So his cap hit is $700K sal + $3M bonus + $250K workout bonus = $3.95M. Thanks to PCinOZ for this info. - Grossman's salary is $920K but he qualifies for vet min ($540K). So his cap hit is $540K sal + $65K signing bonus = $605K. - Scott's salary and cap hit is $700K. - I have Garcon's cap hit at $4.7M including a $400K roster bonus. - Meriweather's 2012 salary is actually $1.45M so his cap hit is $1.85M. (don't mean to nitpick)I was going to ask you about both those things, particularly the vet exemption on Grossman because it seemed weird that you would have him down below the vet minimum for a player with 9 accrued seasons on your cap sheet. My Grossman # was a guesstimate based off the vet minimum and signing bonus. I read that Carriker thing in the CBA two nights ago and it didn't really make a lot of sense to me why the Redskins would do that when they're writing all these five year deals that void after two, so I didn't adjust. But your number on him makes more sense than mine after having read that. Still doesn't really pass the logic test though. I always have a hard time finding out which league year roster bonuses are in, so most discrepancies between my numbers and NFLPA data has to do with roster bonus placement. I'll correct everything in a subsequent post. CrazyCanuck 03-23-2012, 04:11 PM I was going to ask you about both those things, particularly the vet exemption on Grossman because it seemed weird that you would have him down below the vet minimum for a player with 9 accrued seasons on your cap sheet. My Grossman # was a guesstimate based off the vet minimum and signing bonus. I read that Carriker thing in the CBA two nights ago and it didn't really make a lot of sense to me why the Redskins would do that when they're writing all these five year deals that void after two, so I didn't adjust. But your number on him makes more sense than mine after having read that. Still doesn't really pass the logic test though. I always have a hard time finding out which league year roster bonuses are in, so most discrepancies between my numbers and NFLPA data has to do with roster bonus placement. I'll correct everything in a subsequent post. - Grossman - his salary is $920K and his contract seems to meet the criteria for vet min exemption (1 year deal, small signing bonus, etc.). So makes sense I think. - Ya I noticed the Carriker item on PC's sheets, then it was discussed further in the Yahoo capologists group. A few capologists agree this is the proper accounting method. Though I agree it seems strange considering how they've constructed other recent deals. - NFLPA only gives salary info. Signing bonus and roster bonus info is always harder to come by. Generally I start with the salary data, then try to fill in the blanks from there. GTripp0012 03-23-2012, 04:15 PM **UPDATED (March 23, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info 2012 Salary Cap Situation 1. Salary Cap Projection = $124 million $120.375 million $120.6 million <-- Small salary cap increase 2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = 47 56 54 58 2b. Redskins Cap Number, March 2 2012 = $86.3 million $93.1 million 2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $27.5 million 2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million 3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $40.5 million 4. Potential player releases from $90 million cap number (plus 390k UDFA val): DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-390k = $5.8 million net gain O.J. Atogwe, $4.0 million-390k = $3.6 million net gain CONFIRMED Jammal Brown, -$650k-390k = -$1.04 million [net loss] John Beck, $1 million-390k = $0.6 million net gain Mike Sellers, $925k-390k = $0.55 million net gain CONFIRMED Reed Doughty, $1.15 million-390k = $0.76 million net gain Santana Moss, $484k-390k = $0.1 million net gain Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-390k = $1.68 million net gain Total = $13.94 million retrievable 4b. Actual Cap Retrieved from Player Releases/Restructures: $4.15 million 5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = $55.84 million available (does not include June 1 release flexibility) 6a. Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (390k) = $1.56 million <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract 6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per) Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.615 million-390k = $0.225 million Total as of January 17 = $225k 6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per) Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = $1.875 million-390k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender) $1.2 million-390k = $0.81 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-390k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) <-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook Total as of March 11 = $0.81 million 6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (390k per): London Fletcher, 2012 Cap Number = $5.67 million-390k = $5.28 million Fred Davis, 2012 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.446 million-390k = $5.056 million CONFIRMED Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $1.3 million-390k =$0.91 million CONFIRMED Adam Carriker, 2012 Cap Number = $3.95 million-390k = $3.56 million CONFIRMED Tim Hightower, 2012 Cap Number = $1.5 million-390k = $1.11 million Rex Grossman, 2012 Cap Number = $0.605 million-390k = $0.215 million CONFIRMED Kedric Golston, 2012 Cap Number = $0.815 million -390k = $0.425 million Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $700k-$390k =$310k CONFIRMED LaRon Landry <-- Signed/NYJ for 1 yr/$3.5 ($1.75 guaranteed) Rocky McIntosh Donte Stallworth <-- Signed/NE for 1 yr/$0.9 million ($25k guaranteed) David Anderson Sean Locklear Phillip Buchanon Keyaron Fox Byron Westbrook PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million <--Removed Landry's projection PROJECTED Total as of March 2 = $18.911 million March 13 = $17.086 million March 23 = $18.691 ACCUMULATED Total as of March 2 = $9.489 million March 13 = $10.696 million March 23 = $11.876 6f. Accumulated re-signings = $11.876 million Projected additional re-signings (Fletcher, Golston, and Hightower) = $6.845 million 7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams: Pierre Garcon: $4.7 million-390k = $4.31 million CONFIRMED Josh Morgan: $3.1 million-390k = $2.71 million CONFIRMED Brandon Meriweather: $1.85 million-390k = $1.46 million CONFIRMED Cedric Griffin: $2.5 million-390k = $2.11 million (unconfirmed) Total as of the evening of March 23rd: $10.59 million 8. 2012 NFL-enforced salary cap sanction: ($18 million) 9. Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 23, 2012 =$15.355 million - $18 million = (2.645 million) Actual salary cap space as of March 23, 2012: $4.17 million 10. Estimated 2012 Rookie Cap Allowance = $5.75 million Actual cap minus rookie cap = $(1.58 million) GTripp0012 03-23-2012, 04:17 PM - Grossman - his salary is $920K and his contract seems to meet the criteria for vet min exemption (1 year deal, small signing bonus, etc.). So makes sense I think. - Ya I noticed the Carriker item on PC's sheets, then it was discussed further in the Yahoo capologists group. A few capologists agree this is the proper accounting method. Though I agree it seems strange considering how they've constructed other recent deals. - NFLPA only gives salary info. Signing bonus and roster bonus info is always harder to come by. Generally I start with the salary data, then try to fill in the blanks from there.It's all good stuff. I waited like a week to do an update, because I couldn't get confirmation on any of the relevant numbers. How often does the NFLPA typically update it's salary records? GTripp0012 03-23-2012, 04:32 PM CC, what do you know about Cedric Griffin's deal, in terms of the percentage of base salary vs. the percentage of incentives. CrazyCanuck 03-23-2012, 04:50 PM It's all good stuff. I waited like a week to do an update, because I couldn't get confirmation on any of the relevant numbers. How often does the NFLPA typically update it's salary records? Usually takes a few days to make it from the press to NFLPA's site. However the bigger problem is getting access to NFLPA at all. They shut down the site hard a while back so it's difficult to get access these days. My account was shut out too, but as SS always says, "I have my sources". CrazyCanuck 03-23-2012, 04:54 PM CC, what do you know about Cedric Griffin's deal, in terms of the percentage of base salary vs. the percentage of incentives. Well it's a 1-year $2.5M deal. All sources seem to agree with this. But his actual salary is only $1.25M. So my guess is they gave him half in salary and half as a roster bonus/LTBE incentives etc. It all gets treated the same for cap purposes anyways. GTripp0012 03-23-2012, 05:04 PM I just figured if there was a player on the roster who had a NLTBE incentive in his contract, it'd be him. |
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