Redskins Sign RB Ryan Grant/Place Roy Helu Jr. on IR

Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?

Yeah I don't know. Good question though

Well he's getting his knee scoped. When he returns he has said he wants to return to the Skins but we'll see what happens

I just don't see why he wouldn't shred the knee again. Not trying to be a debbie downer, but after one of those big cuts, I just can't see it lasting long.

This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.

Yeah it seems like we have more injuries than anyone over the last 2-3 seasons. This franchise really is snakebit.

Other than Carlos Rogers I can't remember any ex Skins who've complained about the training/medical staff. And his situation seemed pretty bizarre to me.

But overall I have noticed that we tend to play sloppy on both sides of the ball, the difference this season being RG3's extreme talent and ability, which I strongly suspect contributes to injuries several ways.

Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?

I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line!

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.

I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line!

Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".

I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.

(1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...