Around the league divisional weekend

Tony Gonzales needs that ring. Or Ed Reed.

I would love to see Ed Reed get his ring. Don't count out the 49ers and Patriots just yet though.

Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs

Tenn 16-19...19/42 227 yrds 0 touchdowns
@ Mia 17-23... 17/32 194 yds 1 touchdown
@ NYJ 0-41... 14/31 137 yards 2 interceptions
@ NE 14-24... 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 Interceptions
@ NE 3-20... 27/42 238 yards 1 Interceptions
Pitt 18-21... 22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown
Super bowl run... 97/153 3 touchdowns 7 interceptions
San Diego... 24-28... 3 touchdowns 2 interceptions
San Diego 17-23... 1 touchdown
Superbowl... 17-31 331 yards 1 touchdown 1 int (looks like the offense scored a lot but as you remember when the Colts needed a touchdown Manning threw a pic 6).
NYJ 16-19... 18/26 225 yards 1 touchdown
Baltimore 35-38... 290 yards 3 touchdowns 3 T.O.

The only game I see where his defense let him down was the Denver game... except he played bad that game too and had a pic 6, a fumble with the lead, and threw an INT when the Broncos had the ball at midfield. These scores look like the defense came to play but Manning played poorly. People thought Manning didn't have a good defense but in the playoffs the defense would play well, similar to NE last year, by the way the 2nd worst defense of all time was in the superbowl thanks to a Tom Brady. Manning gets all the credit in the regular season but none of the blame during the postseason. The scores of the games he played in speak for themselves. He played poorly. The record and stats show it.

And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.

And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.


Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.

Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.

I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.

I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.


I do think Brady is clutch, but I think his defense gives him more opportunities on the field. Also, he's lost the last 2 super bowls, does that make him less clutch than what he was before?


I'll ask you the same question. Brady is having to face off on the #27 ranked defense to move on in the playoffs. Manning is having to face off on the #5 defense to move on in the playoffs. Which one of these guys will face a harder time moving on? Does Tom have it easier or does Peyton? If both of these QBs are equal, which one do you suspect to move on?

It's quite simple deduction. Peyton hasn't fared as well because he simply was facing stiffer competition than Brady.

You don't even listen to your own logic.

Answer this. I have QB A who has bad defense, who is going head to head with QB B with a very good defense. If QB A and QB B are exactly equal, who stands a better chance at winning? Which of these QBs will have to overcome more?

I just showed you scores to state that Peyton Manning's defense played well, but according to you his defense lost him games. The scores and stats show that he played poorly and his defense played well. Just like Brady. Brady played well and instead of losing a lot of those playoff games that Manning did he won it. The difference is when its 24-17 Brady is usually on the winning side while Manning is on the losing side. Brady has more touchdown passes in the postseason while having less interceptions. Manning gets all the credit but when the playoff comes around his stats and score show that his team played well but he did not come through. If he was losing 41-37 games I would agree with you. But he is losing low 20-s high teens game which means his bad defense came through but he did not.

Well today proved who the better playoff quarterback is. One was at home, one did not turn the ball over at all, while the other had 3.

Manning gets the credit but for some reason does not get the blame when his team loses. Stats show otherwise.

I just showed you scores to state that Peyton Manning's defense played well, but according to you his defense lost him games. The scores and stats show that he played poorly and his defense played well. Just like Brady. Brady played well and instead of losing a lot of those playoff games that Manning did he won it. The difference is when its 24-17 Brady is usually on the winning side while Manning is on the losing side. Brady has more touchdown passes in the postseason while having less interceptions. Manning gets all the credit but when the playoff comes around his stats and score show that his team played well but he did not come through. If he was losing 41-37 games I would agree with you. But he is losing low 20-s high teens game which means his bad defense came through but he did not.

Well today proved who the better playoff quarterback is. One was at home, one did not turn the ball over at all, while the other had 3.

Manning gets the credit but for some reason does not get the blame when his team loses. Stats show otherwise.


I didn't read any of that. I want you to answer the question I presented. WHen you answer the question, I'll respond what you have to say.


Answer this. I have QB A who has bad defense, who is going head to head with QB B with a very good defense. If QB A and QB B are exactly equal, who stands a better chance at winning? Which of these QBs will have to overcome more?

I would love to see Ed Reed get his ring. Don't count out the 49ers and Patriots just yet though.

It'll be that so neither can get a super bowl (Reed and Gonzalez)

The bottom line is:

You want to have a nice season, make the playoffs, maybe win a SB you get Manning.

You want to win championships you get Brady.

The bottom line is:

You want to have a nice season, make the playoffs, maybe win a SB you get Manning.

You want to win championships you get Brady.

Except when he plays the other Mannng of course.