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EARTHQUAKE2689 05-22-2014, 01:57 AM IDK Dirtbag...I would imagine almost all NFL GM's would make that deal You have 4 really good starters there plus Bailey has serious potential.
I imagine the exact opposite, I dont think any would make that trade.
Greg Robinson hasnt played yet
As far as Steadman's potential, potential will get you fired.
Janoris Jenkins is a decent to above average corner.
Michael Brockers and Alec Ogletree aren't anything to write home about right now.
SirLK26 05-22-2014, 09:02 AM I personally love the trade back with Dallas and felt like they bent Dallas over the table on that trade. Minnesota only gave up a 4th rounder to move up 8-9 spots back into the first round and Dallas gave up their 3rd rounder to move up 12 spots. When you look at the trade chart values, we gave up our pick worth 560 points and picked up two selections that combined a total of 630. Minnesota only gave up a mere 18 points between their compensation they gave up to move up to a loftier spot. As far as who they picked? I'm not a scout so there is no way I can judge the picks these guys made. I didn't have a issue with any of the picks, but I felt that the Murphy pick was a luxury pick when it was made. It seems like we had greater needs than a OLB. /shrug
I understand why Mike made the trade, but I also think Mike was a bit desperate as well. I didn't agree with it at the time due to the mere compensation, but it wasn't because I didn't like the player in return. I probably would have been happier to stay where we were and picked Tannehill and kept our 2nd and future 1st rounders. That's just me though because I do value more picks.
As far as those "polls" on who won the trade. Well, it's irrelevant on who won the trade based on the players picked. Rams won the trade based on value and that's the bottom line. It could turn out that all of the Rams players flops and RGIII goes to the hall of fame. On the other hand, RGIII may end up flopping and all of the Rams players picked end up in the hall of fame. Last scenario, all players on both sides of the trade could end up flopping. Who won the trade is the moment compensation is traded, and that's purely looking at it from a numbers perspective.
Matty is right though. It's still way too early in declaring any "winners" between any of the players involved in the trade. Hell, look how many years Brees took to blossom or how long it took the Chargers to see any dividends on Rivers from the Eli trade.
One more thing, it takes more than having just "more" picks to be successful. You still need a competent GM/scouting staff that knows how to pick players for their schemes. You can give all the picks in the world to idiots like Vinny and still field a shitty team.
Thanks.
skinsfan69 05-22-2014, 12:34 PM Well no doubt its solid and I genuinely believe that if Bradford stays healthy the trade will be one of the few win-wins in NFL history. However in terms of the players the Rams got, the way I feel is we've kind of had that caliber of players before and the best that happened was we eeked into the playoffs (Chris Samuals, Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, and Randle-El (728 Yards in 07)). So it would be great to have those types of players but without a QB we wouldn't be a serious contender.
Granted again its not an apples to apples comparison as the Rams guys are younger not to mention different kinds of players but I honestly feel that the two most critical elements to winning a Super Bowl in this day and age are a top flight QB and Defense. And as tough as it is to put together an elite defense finding a QB the caliber of RG3 is exponentially harder.
I mean not to diminish the Seahawks scouting department but that number 1 ranked defense is essentially filled with guys who were no bodies going into the league. Some developed into elite pro bowlers like Sherman while many others have found great fits as rotational role players.
This is where we see it differently. I didn't see RG3, as a pro prospect, head and shoulders above Wilson, Foles, Tannehill or even Cousins.
Gary84Clark 05-22-2014, 12:56 PM This is where we see it differently. I didn't see RG3, as a pro prospect, head and shoulders above Wilson, Foles, Tannehill or even Cousins.
we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.
Gary84Clark 05-22-2014, 01:02 PM How many will the Rams keep pass their rookie contracts?
SirLK26 05-22-2014, 01:31 PM we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.
This.
RG3's superior intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism made him a far better pro prospect than Foles and Cousins for sure. Tannehill wasn't that far behind, and Wilson would've been closer if he had another 3 inches(in height, dummy :D), but RG3 and Luck were two of the best QB prospects to be drafted in a long time.
skinsfan69 05-22-2014, 01:34 PM we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.
Actually I don't. I want the best guy behind center. That should be RG3. Right?
skinsfan69 05-22-2014, 01:36 PM This.
RG3's superior intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism made him a far better pro prospect than Foles and Cousins for sure. Tannehill wasn't that far behind, and Wilson would've been closer if he had another 3 inches(in height, dummy :D), but RG3 and Luck were two of the best QB prospects to be drafted in a long time.
Foles was in hunt for MVP last year. Just sayin'
SirLK26 05-22-2014, 01:48 PM Foles was in hunt for MVP last year. Just sayin'
Not only did he have one of the top offensive lines in the NFL, a 1300 yard receiver, a 1600 yard back, and a great TE, but he plays in an offensive system that makes QBs look better than they really are.
calia 05-22-2014, 04:06 PM Foles struggling will be a big storyline of the NFC East this year. And by struggling, I mean that he will look like an above average QB but won't have insane numbers like last year (that's not something that anyone in his right mind should expect to repeat). I think teams will adjust and bring a lot more pressure, as I think he will struggle with it (as many of the best QBs do) and he's not terribly mobile.
The NFC East team (outside of the Redskins) that I think will be interesting to watch is the Giants -- a LOT of personnel changes on both sides of the ball. Dallas doesn't look to be much different -- will have a bad secondary, not muchy of a running game, but will throw for a lot of yards, and the Eagles will be in the mix too. But I have no idea what to expect from the Giants.
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