Ramsey's last days as a Redskin

I sincerely thought a QB would be the LAST thing we were discussing pre-draft.

let me break it down real fast now

Bu ya ka sha here we go
we are not gonna get campbell at 25 now b/c of the spotlight on him.
I truelly feel he is the best QB in the draft, he did go a perfect season and he like many on Auburn played well. He WAS! the best kept secret along w/ teamate Rodgers. I know Rodgers (if he is around when we pic at 9) will also be in the draft at 16-20 so we WILL trade down even if it is only 2 spots. I mean merriman and Derrick Johnson can go in the pics right after us w/ detriot and dallas so we can possibly make a trade there so dallas can get who they want(i don't condone trading w/dallas but.....) otherwise we get a second with who ever we trade with and take their pick and get a Rodgers in the draft(by the way if all rolle rodgers and pacman are there we will get rodgers!) and w/ 25 we get miller and with our second we get jerome mathis or even possibly matt jones if he is around.

after that we have a
2 firsts ? and 25
a second at pick #?

to get a better second we trade our 7th rounder, our second and gardner to Cleveland at number 34 and possibly get matt jones also

THat gives us 3 of the top 34 and giving us RODGERS MILLER AND JONES!!!!! or MATHIS which gives us a great CB, WR, and TE!!!! that would be ideal..........for me

the media just likes to make it seem like ramsey is gone, ESPN "RAMSEY OUT?"
how can they do that?

Here is an important thing to remember for this time of year:

Believe NOTHING that any NFL coach or GM says about the draft. And the corrollary to that is that anything you deduce they are about to do in the draft is merely a guess because they have been lying to you on purpose.

Having said that:

IF - note I said IF - the Redskins draft Campbell or any other QB at #25 (I like Charlie Frye from Akron more than Campbell that that's a detail), that will demonstrate clearly to me that Gibbs has not liked Ramsey from day one. Remember last year when he took over he said that one of the things he and his staff saw was that the "previous regime" was starting people who never should have been starting? Then his first act was to go out and sign Brunell to play QB. MAYBE Joe Gibbs has decided that Ramsey CANNOT play QB iat the NFL level for a winning team. There are lots of "pretend NFL QBs" who have careers moving around with teams aspiring to be .500. Do the names Gus Frerotte and Tony Banks and Jeff Blake ring any bells? I don't KNOW if Gibbs thinks Ramsey is a career loser, but he might...


Daseal:

Ths Skins have more than 2 needs. Yes they need a WR. I actually think they need 2 WRs but I'll back off and agree that one really good one will do. Yes, I agree they need a CB. But that's not all.

The Skins also need Cooley to upgrade his game significantly OR they need a TE.

The Skins need a player to provide depth at LB and at Safety. With Arrington gimpy, Barrow still "making great progress in his recovery" as he has for the last year and Pierce gone, there are a lot of question marks at LB.

The Skins' need depth on the OL. We saw what happened last year with one injury to Jansen.

The Skins need another DL because the assumption that the defense will be as good as last year depends on 5 defensive linemen playing as well as they did last year when all 5 played the absolute best they ever did. That's not highly likely to happen again.


Ramseyfan:

Your exchange of those disabled and afflicted mondeys for the Skins' FO personnel would be an improvement even if they don't draft another QB in the first round.


Schneed10:

The contract that would go to a pick at #25 would not be anything near what it would cost to sign a pick in the top 5. The cap room hit for a player there is not a really big deal. Now if they package those two picks with Gardner and trade up to #2 to take WHOMEVER, that will be a humongous signing bonus and fat contract for the team to swallow.


BTW, back in December we had some folks here speculating about what might happen if the Skins traded Gardner for a first round pick. Has that delusion passed yet? The Skins would probably take a low 3rd roound pick for Gardner now and give thanks to each and every football god for the good fortune if they could get it. I still think that the best they will get for him is late 4th round or he may be the "sweetener" in a deal to make a draft choice swap. Other than that, he'll be playing wide-out for this offense next September - - because as mediocre as he is, they don't have anything better...

i like matt jones too. like i say i want pac man but carlos rodgers is cool too, we are not gonna draft campbell we have a QB. i get the brain washing. but i like our WR's that we have.

Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.

And there isn't a single GM, Coach or Owner in the NFL that won't tell you Brady was a complete fluke. Nobody expected his success. For every Tom Brady there are 100 other QBs that never even become starters in the NFL. Sorry, I still don't like those odds.

okay your not a fan of Campbell, cool but look at the man's resume. Look at the confernece he played in and look at his record i have watched Campbell play and I always wondered why he wasnt talked about much. but if we dont get him i care not as long as we get pac man the other pick dont matter to me. a redskins team has to ahve a shut down darell green type speed corner. return skills got me sold. not knocking ramsey but Campbell aint that bad a pick.

some info on Campbell.

Played quarterback in high school. Team won the state championship his junior year and lost in the semifinal senior year. Player of the year in Mississippi, as well as an all-state basketball player. Redshirted in 2000, started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002, 13 in 2003 with bowl game MVP honors, and started every game as a senior. In 2004 he set a record by winning 31 career games at Auburn under four different offensive coordinators in five years. The last one for his junior and senior years, Al Borges, has done a great job with Campbell. Good arm strength, accuracy has improved, can avoid the rush if needed, has a long release, and looked good at the Senior Bowl.

but like i say we got a QB but if we pick him cool. i like ramsey but its time for him to do his thing.

And here is another scouting report I posted earlier. Note, this one includes the good and the bad.

Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

alright alright no Campbell. let me shut up. But the mention of Gibbs visiting Campbell means Gibbs is still iffy on the most important posisiton we have and its his own fault with that Brunnell crap.

SC, what does Cooley need to do to upgrade his game?

Maybe he's just selling the act. That's all I can hope for...

I wouldnt be suprised or upsed if we drafted a QB in the first round. We dont have backups right now (nothing against hasslebeck, but hes not a starter) and this year there will be no one really waiting in the wings to take over in case Ramsey gets hurt, or flops. I like PR, but it is possible that he isnt cut out to lead the team to the playoffs, and I am confident in the leadership of the team to deal with that accordingly if that is the case. I think that Gibbs is gonna give PR this coming season to prove himself and develop, and bring in a new candidate. They did bring in Bill Musgrave this year. He's gonna concentrate on QB development, wether it be Ramsey, or a younger guy.

I mean suppose Ramsey goes down in the 5th game, how are we gonna feel with Brunell coming into the game? Hasslebeck will be out of here either this year or next, so do we wait until the last minute to start developing a new quarterback, or do we shop among the Veteran QBs that hop from team to team hoping to re-live glory days and hit .500 for a team in transition? The Drew Brees Phillip Rivers situation is a problem most teams would love to have, and I wouldnt mind it here a bit.