(Merged) Jason Campbell

That's funny, because if I were gonna knock Ramsey, that would be exactly what I would say.
You beat me to it with that.. I disagree with both draft picks so let me say that up front.. Here's my assumption of what the FO was thinking.. They didn't draft Ramsey (at least Gibbs didn't, that was a Vinny/Danny thing) so there's no true allegiance there. Let's be 100% frank about Ramsey so far, he has not been a leader, consistent or productive. Plus in today's NFL, other than Peyton Manning, a QB has to be mobile, Ramsey is a statue. He is below .500, has more INT than TD and going into his 4th year has not shown that he has the makings of an elite QB. In Campbell, there is a guy who is the son of a football coach (understanding of the game may pick things up quickly), a 4 year starter in the SEC (31 wins with 4 different offensive systems and a 45-24 TD/INT ratio), mobile QB with an arm who's strength is comparable to Ramsey's.. I don't like the pick, but I understand..

What I dislike more is the Rogers pick.. Yes we needed a corner, but let's be honest again, Smoot is a GOOD corner, by no means was he great or elite.. Replacing him was neccessary but not imperative at that point in the draft. With the problems offensively, especially in the passing game we had in '04, with Mike Williams on the board we made a HUGE error in my opinion by not taking him. I think and hope Rogers will be decent, but I think the draft last year, this year and even next year will leave a long resounding negative effect on the Skins..

I never once mentioned the Auburn fan saying ANYTHING about Jason Campbell, in fact I mentioned him only saying about Carlos Rogers.

My bad, man. I didn't pay enough attention to the post. Sorry for the confusion.

Two points about this pick

#1
I don't get it. We traded up to take a QB who might take 2-3 years before he's ready?? Couldn't we have gotten a much better value with this pick? Someone who could contribute right away??

#2
I don't like it. We might as well just dump Ramsey now, because ever since Gibbs has been here he's been giving strong signals to PR that he's not his man. First he brings in a vet, and now uses a high pick on a QB.

I liked the Rogers pick at #9, but this pick has me scratching my head.

Campbell sounds like a great prospect, but we really reached here and didn't fill much of a need.

has more INT than TD and going into his 4th year

Ramsey has 33 career TD's vs. 28 INT's

Let's be 100% frank about Ramsey so far, he has not been a leader, consistent or productive. Plus in today's NFL, other than Peyton Manning, a QB has to be mobile, Ramsey is a statue. He is below .500, has more INT than TD and going into his 4th year has not shown that he has the makings of an elite QB.

I couldn't disagree with your evaluation of Ramsey more. I think he does hold it too long and occasionally throws it up, but I will be frank, I think he can be a Pro Bowler sooner rather than later. As for him having more picks than TD's that's wrong. Career: 33 TD, 28 INT. Last year was the only season he had more picks than TD's and that was only 10 to 11. I believe he showed he was a leader in his first season when Spurrier put him in games late and he lead them back. I remember a Giants game that sold me on him when he almost lead them back to a win if not for a D. McCants fumble. He's not mobile, though, you're right. However, his completion percentage for his career is: 55.6%, has improved every year and last year was 62.1%.

Two points about this pick

#1
I don't get it. We traded up to take a QB who might take 2-3 years before he's ready?? Couldn't we have gotten a much better value with this pick? Someone who could contribute right away??

#2
I don't like it. We might as well just dump Ramsey now, because ever since Gibbs has been here he's been giving strong signals to PR that he's not his man. First he brings in a vet, and now uses a high pick on a QB.

I liked the Rogers pick at #9, but this pick has me scratching my head.

Campbell sounds like a great prospect, but we really reached here and didn't fill much of a need.

In addition, to me, it seems like we're well on our way to competing for the #1 pick next season, which we won't have, but that could have put us in position for Lienart. We would have had a better line on Ramsey and then they would have actually known if they needed a Qb.

As long as the line gives Ramsey some time I think he is a decent pocket passer.......
we will have a healthy Jansen back and a better center, Ramsey's performance should improve.........puzzlement why Gibbs seems impatient and drafts Campbell..........

As long as the line gives Ramsey some time I think he is a decent pocket passer.......
we will have a healthy Jansen back and a better center, Ramsey's performance should improve.........puzzlement why Gibbs seems impatient and drafts Campbell..........
Campbell wasn't drafted to start for at least a couple years. How is that impatient?

I couldn't disagree with your evaluation of Ramsey more. I think he does hold it too long and occasionally throws it up, but I will be frank, I think he can be a Pro Bowler sooner rather than later. As for him having more picks than TD's that's wrong. Career: 33 TD, 28 INT. Last year was the only season he had more picks than TD's and that was only 10 to 11. I believe he showed he was a leader in his first season when Spurrier put him in games late and he lead them back. I remember a Giants game that sold me on him when he almost lead them back to a win if not for a D. McCants fumble. He's not mobile, though, you're right. However, his completion percentage for his career is: 55.6%, has improved every year and last year was 62.1%.

*** Let me preface this by saying I am not a Ramsey-bashing Zach Mills clone, I don't like the pick, but I am guessing as to why the FO made the pick ***
My bad on the TD/INT #, I misread it when I was looking.. Here's why I say he's not a leader. He has guts physically, no doubt, but mentally he folded up his tent last pre-season when Brunell came in.. He said later in the season that he didn't deal with it well mentally. Yes, he's young, but you want your LEADER to step up and defeat a challenge, not have to wait until the guy who beat you out fails miserably before you get in.. How many come from behind wins does he have? Spurrier and Gibbs put him in games late and he made them exciting, but how many games did he win in that situation. That's how greatness develops.. 55.6% completion is not good.. His 62.1% last year was 12th in the league, career wise he is on par with Kyle Boller did last year.. From a Gibbs perspective (didn't scout him, didn't draft him) what from what you have seen leads you to beleive that he is ready to be more than the game manager he was at the end of the year last year?

A wasted first round