Conference Championship thread

Once again showing you don't know much. There are 3 sets of balls 12 for NE when they are on Offence, 12 when Indy is on Offence and the "K balls"; the ones they use for punting and kicking.

The only time that Indy player would touch a New England ball would be a turnover. In fact it was a Indy player who pointed it out to refs on a interception. The first time a Indy player touched one, he knew it was wrong. You telling me Brady didn't know, on about 50 snaps?

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.

Its not hate and jealousy,.

Yes it is and I understand you have to spin it to make yourself sleep better at night .If the Skins were to hire Belichick and he came here and had the same or better success this board would be defending him ,Fact .


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.


Thank you for the link .

A friend of mine who's a diehard Pats fan just posted this:

"I've spent most of the morning thinking about my response to the issues with Patriots, especially since everyone knows I'm a fan. My conclusion? I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in the culture and pressure the team has placed on winning, all at the expense of values. I'm particularly disappointed at the message this sends our most impressionable fans--the kids. I'd much rather teach them about losing with value rather than winning by cheating. While we don't know the whole story yet, and I'm not about to abandon my team, I just hope the young ones that look up to these players and coaches learn that life and sports is more than just finding a way to win."

Again, this is not the first time they have been caught red-handed. They got a pretty hefty hit the first time around with video gate. Didn't stop them from doing it again. As repeat offenders, they should lose multiple first round picks and a few seconds. Their players should be barred from the pro-bowl for inflating their stats. If the league said, "You're a repeat offender cheater and, as such, you forfeit the game." I would be okay with it.

We either all play by the rules and pay the consequences when we get caught not doing so or their really aren't any rules.

Belichick's legacy is that he is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, NFL coach ever.

Why he spoils his legacy with cheating is beyond me. It's a shame, really.

But you are right, he deserves to have the book thrown at him.

IMO you cant give the Pats the benifit of doubt...there is too much already there.

Bill Belicheat is a cheater. Kraft should be ashamed, but he has allowed it and should be held accountable as well. Low character, both of them

Same balls used for both teams .


I think enough posters have pointed out your ignorance on the subject so I'll continue on with the rest of what I have to say. You can't give NE the benefit of the doubt since 11 of the 12 balls were deflated. That and they've had a history of cheating. Dock a draft pick and have the league start furnishing the balls and control them during games instead of allowing teams to handle them. That said, those balls didn't change the outcome of that ass whupping.

On Aaron Rodgers radio show he admitted to increasing the PSI of the balls and yelling at the refs when they lowered them to below 13.5 psi. I am not excusing it merely pointing out that this is a widespread for of cheating. I am curious if it is a turn a blind eye to it type of thing.

Regardless I am pulling for the Pats in the Superbowl. Keep it on the east coast, plus when ever the Skins are out and there is no longer an NFC east team to root against. I pull for the region I would rather live in. I would prefer New England over the pacific Northwest

I think enough posters have pointed out your ignorance on the subject so I'll continue on with the rest of what I have to say. You can't give NE the benefit of the doubt since 11 of the 12 balls were deflated. That and they've had a history of cheating. Dock a draft pick and have the league start furnishing the balls and control them during games instead of allowing teams to handle them.

Has anyone heard about the psi for the Colts balls yet? I am curious if they were all in compliance as well.

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.

What that says is that each team supplies their own balls and the ref checks them. Two hour prior to the game the ref checks them, but the balls supplied by each team is their own. Each is rubbed down and broken in how they want it to be, within the rules. Except for the K balls which are brand new.

Here is a Boston Globe story agreeing with what I said. NFL says Patriots used 11 under-inflated footballs - Sports - The Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/20/nfl-says-patriots-used-under-inflated-footballs/7UlPZI3eotRTBadM89saeO/story.html)