Winslow has to pay

Yes matty. Gibbs never lied.

remember him denying the WP article on Coles? Part of the business.

Didn't the Post say the Redskins were going to release Coles? Wasn't that the issue? Did they release him?

Let me get this right. We told KWII he was our guy and if he was there at 5 we'd take him. He was there at 5 and we took Sean Taylor. The man got upset because HE WASN'T given the chance to be a Redskin he's an asshole? He wanted to come to Washington and was mad he didn't get to.

That said ST was the better choice because he's a better player. Im glad he's giving the money back.

apparently you talked to the front office about that promise and they confirmed it right? cause what i heard is no such promise existed... though if you have a reliable source you can cite, i'd love to see it.

and he's not an asshole for wanting to be a redskin, he's an asshole for many many MANY other reasons (see spending your post draft conference badmouthing a HoF coach and calling him a liar, being a loudmouth and calling out your teammates for sucking as a rookie, insisting on playing DE too, violating his contract, choosing the postons, the soljah thing etc etc)

Daseal,

You and I usually agree (at least to a certain degree), but unfortunately I've got to disagree with certain points you made in your above post. First, as has been pointed out, it is uncertain whether Gibbs promised Winslow he'd pick him - Gibbs said no, Winslow said yes. Second, Winslow didn't care about being a Redskin, he wanted more money and to be a higher pick. Third, Winslow...I mean "The Chosen One"......I mean "The Solider".....I mean "The Warrior".....is an enormous ass. See, Exhibit A - his torn ACL. See Exhibit B - calling out his teammates and head coach in Miami. See Exhibit C - all those dumb ass monikers he gave himself.

I agree he's an ass, I just don't feel being mad for not being picked as the main reason. I'd do the same thing if I had to go to Clevland!

Daseal you just like to hate on the Skins for some reason. Anything you can think of to pin on the Skins and prove you're point that they're inept and worthless. And anything you can find to prove that those of us who are optimistic about our favorite team are a bunch of snivelling morons. I am as tired of your moaning and groaning as I was of Curmodgeon's weeks ago. What kind of fan are you anyways? Are you a secret Bovineboy lover?

All of your reasons except for ONE have to do with his motorcycle thing. I'm talking strictly about calling us out. I bet we did promise him we were going to take him, and I'm damn sure we would have if he hired different agents. He was pissed, and he called us out. So what? Would you be upset if the Redskins promised to pick you then let you slide? I don't see you mad at Randy Moss for calling out the Cowboys after the same thing happened.

I looked at this message for like 5 minutes and I still can't figure it out.

The reasons I gave for KW being and asshole are as follows:
Called out Gibbs and Skins: That happened at the draft.
"The chosen one" comment: NOTHING to do with the motorcycle accident
"Soldier comment": Said that in college, I saw the interview, and he was in the locker room, and not on a motorcycle
Terrorizing neighborhoods: Yes, that is ONE that IS about the bike.
Doing tricks: Yep, that makes TWO
Expecting someone to carry is equipment for him as a rookie: Again, unless by "equipment" and "helmet" you thought I was talking about his bike and his motorcylcle helmet (that he apparently doesn't know how to strap on), I fail to see what that has to do with the motorcycle accident.

So by my math, that would be FOUR that have NOTHING to do with the bike accident, and only TWO that do. What am I missing here?

As for the Randy Moss comment: PLEASE start a thread about Randy Moss, and I'll show you just what I think about him. I despise that child too.

Actually, we someone posted an article about Moss here a bit ago and honestly, I don't hate him nearly as much as the TOs in the world. Moss is really a gentleman off the field and a stand-up guy.

I can't believe I'm going to bat for him, but after reading that article, he doens't seem so bad.

Daseal,

You and I usually agree (at least to a certain degree), but unfortunately I've got to disagree with certain points you made in your above post. First, as has been pointed out, it is uncertain whether Gibbs promised Winslow he'd pick him - Gibbs said no, Winslow said yes. Second, Winslow didn't care about being a Redskin, he wanted more money and to be a higher pick. Third, Winslow...I mean "The Chosen One"......I mean "The Solider".....I mean "The Warrior".....is an enormous ass. See, Exhibit A - his torn ACL. See Exhibit B - calling out his teammates and head coach in Miami. See Exhibit C - all those dumb ass monikers he gave himself.

Excellently stated RF.:biggthump

It's one man's word against a child's, and he choses to believe the child's? Just doesn't make sense to me.

And, might I add, this the same person who comes to the defense of Taylor every time somebody brings up the drunk driving, because Taylor is innocent until proven guilty......and he was found innocent (and that is certainly a fair point). Yet it's ok to crucify the Skins and Gibbs and come to the adamant defense of KW, even though everything he's said is complete hearsay and has been corroborated by absolutely no proof at all. I guess Gibbs isn't entitled to the same benefit of the doubt that Taylor is? I don't know, sounds contradictory to me. The only facts we know are that KW called out our coach and our team. That's it. We KNOW nothing else, except that completely contradictory statements have been made by KW and Gibbs. Yet somehow we are supposed to buy into KW's defense of his being an ass without a shread of proof against our team?

Actually, we someone posted an article about Moss here a bit ago and honestly, I don't hate him nearly as much as the TOs in the world. Moss is really a gentleman off the field and a stand-up guy.

I can't believe I'm going to bat for him, but after reading that article, he doens't seem so bad.

Let me first say I didn't see the article. But here's the thing about Moss. Every now and then he gives an interview or a story comes out that makes him look like an ok guy. But a gentleman doesn't refuse to yield to a female traffic cop and push her (albeit slowly and without intent to injure) with his SUV. So, I have a hard time buying into the good stuff I hear because his actions just don't seem to back it up all the time. But again, I didn't see the article, so maybe that would have changed my mind........at least until he does the next stupid thing.