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GoSkins! 06-01-2005, 09:33 PM Gibbs is in year 2 of a 5 year tenure. Finding out that you need a QB and trying to find him at the start of year 3 is a bad option. If Gibbs was 35 years old and planning to stay for 10 years, I don't think we would have traded to get Jason Campbell. What are are seeing is Gibbs plan of action to make sure he produces a winning team in the time that he can stay with the team.
If Campbell needs two years to develop, he could start in Gibbs 4th year. Chances are, his first real shot at going deep into the playoffs would be in Gibbs 5th (last) or 6th (good luck) season.
We traded next years number one pick and more to find some insurance for Gibbs to be able to win big before he retires for good.
Gibbs is in year 2 of a 5 year tenure. Finding out that you need a QB and trying to find him at the start of year 3 is a bad option. If Gibbs was 35 years old and planning to stay for 10 years, I don't think we would have traded to get Jason Campbell. What are are seeing is Gibbs plan of action to make sure he produces a winning team in the time that he can stay with the team.
If Campbell needs two years to develop, he could start in Gibbs 4th year. Chances are, his first real shot at going deep into the playoffs would be in Gibbs 5th (last) or 6th (good luck) season.
We traded next years number one pick and more to find some insurance for Gibbs to be able to win big before he retires for good.
Well said.
I think this offseason was a rude awakening for Gibbs in free agency. He saw so called "core guys" walk for more money. That could easily happen again, and god forbid it happens with Ramsey after he hypothetically puts up good numbers over the next two years. Then what? Campbell is Gibbs' insurance policy at QB.
offiss 06-01-2005, 11:29 PM All this talk about Campbell being an insurance policy, we paid a hefty price for ins., and this plan doesn't cover a whole lot, we didn't draft a great college QB, and yet he's going to challenge for super bowl's in 2 years? What about the Brunell ins. policy, how did that work out?
Here's our ins. policy as it stand's, we are 1 hit away from having either Brunnell or Campbell starting for us this year, sound's to me like we have no ins. for the next 2 year's, but in 2 year's we will be set, that's if Ramsey fails, But if Ramsey can't get the job done under Gibbs, then good luck Campbell your going to need it.
Only time will tell I guess.
In today's NFL I know it's all about now and what have you done for me lately, but there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the not so distant future.
TheMalcolmConnection 06-02-2005, 08:29 AM All this talk about Campbell being an insurance policy, we paid a hefty price for ins., and this plan doesn't cover a whole lot, we didn't draft a great college QB, and yet he's going to challenge for super bowl's in 2 years? What about the Brunell ins. policy, how did that work out?
Here's our ins. policy as it stand's, we are 1 hit away from having either Brunnell or Campbell starting for us this year, sound's to me like we have no ins. for the next 2 year's, but in 2 year's we will be set, that's if Ramsey fails, But if Ramsey can't get the job done under Gibbs, then good luck Campbell your going to need it.
Would ya rather have signed another washed-up veteran like Brunell as a backup though?
offiss 06-02-2005, 01:20 PM Would ya rather have signed another washed-up veteran like Brunell as a backup though?
No way, I was 1 of the guy's who didn't want Brunell in the first place.
But if we were going to look to the future it should have been done with Gibbs first draft when there was much more talent at the QB position, and then he would already had a year under his belt, the Brunell signing was a win now signing, now all of a sudden we pull an about face and we are building for the future at the QB position? With a coach who we all know doesn't have a big window of opportunity? With a player who at best is a project?
How bout drafting Matt Schaub the previous draft he went to the Falcons with the 27th pick in the 3rd rd, and will probably be better than Campbell, there are plenty of way's to get a backup at the QB position with some experience, right now we don't have a backup realistically, Campbell who is a 3 year project, or Brunell who is another year older, what do you think?
TheMalcolmConnection 06-02-2005, 01:28 PM Schaub would have been a great pickup. But basically the nature of the free agent QB market in the NFL is that you are either a has-been or a never-was. There's just no gray area.
GoSkins! 06-02-2005, 10:32 PM No way, I was 1 of the guy's who didn't want Brunell in the first place.
But if we were going to look to the future it should have been done with Gibbs first draft when there was much more talent at the QB position, and then he would already had a year under his belt, the Brunell signing was a win now signing, now all of a sudden we pull an about face and we are building for the future at the QB position? With a coach who we all know doesn't have a big window of opportunity? With a player who at best is a project?
How bout drafting Matt Schaub the previous draft he went to the Falcons with the 27th pick in the 3rd rd, and will probably be better than Campbell, there are plenty of way's to get a backup at the QB position with some experience, right now we don't have a backup realistically, Campbell who is a 3 year project, or Brunell who is another year older, what do you think?
Even if you didn't like Brunnel, there is no way you could have predicted the distaster he was last year. Gibbs had to get another guy. This is how he chose to do it.
offiss 06-03-2005, 01:16 AM Even if you didn't like Brunnel, there is no way you could have predicted the distaster he was last year. Gibbs had to get another guy. This is how he chose to do it.
Sorry but I was very close to that prediction as I stated many times before the trade that he was more of a playmaker than a passing QB and that doesn't fit into Gibbs offensive philosophy, as well as I also said his abiltity to run around and make play's is about over and he will have to rely on his passing skills to get by which I have never been a big believer in, as was neither Tom Coughlin who wanted to get rid of him back in Brunell's prime becuase he didn't believe he could win with him, did I believe he would be as bad as he was? No! But I couldn't imagine anyone being that bad.
I understand how Gibbs choose his new QB, the question is did he use the same evaluation process that he used to bring Brunell in? You no the process that had us give up a 2nd round pick and 43 million to a QB who was replaced by a rookie and was going to be released?
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 06-03-2005, 02:27 AM 1. As I said a million times before the start of the season, I didn't like the trade because Brunell was a likely June 1 release, we gave up too high a pick, he's old, and his deal was too big.
2. I also thought Brunell would be successful here.
3. However, I said by week 3 that Brunell stunk and Gibbs was crazy for keeping him in there - even if he was coming to a new team, head coach, and offense. I also said Gibbs' offense stank up the joint and needed to change. I was totally ridiculed for making such calls. With an a-holeesque grin, I can say I was right on both counts; Brunell has been benched and Gibbs has admitted that he needed to make major changes to his offensive schemes (and offensive personnel) this off-season.
In any event, I don't think there's much room for debate about Brunell. We all now know it was a mistake (which even Gods like Gibbs are allowed to make every so often). So, lets put him (and Gibbs' 2004 offense) behind us. Gibbs learned from his mistakes and we're moving on with Ramsey.
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