Wft quarterback of the future

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Chief X_Phackter
12-16-2020, 06:14 PM
I think we might be a bit jaded because last time we traded up for a qb in the draft, it set this franchise back about 4 years. But let's say we finish with a draft pick between 16-32, would you trade 2022's first to move up a few spots to draft a guy you like (assuming he's available on draft day?)



I would be for that, absolutely. They moved up about 20 slots to get Sweat at 26 - cost them two 2nd round picks. If they somehow find their QB of the future in the second half of the 1st round, and only give up two 2nd rounders or 2022's 1st round pick...I'd be all in on that, providing we keep our 2021 1st round pick.

mooby
12-16-2020, 06:18 PM
Mooby, sorry to be a pedant, but that's a table not a chart. 😉

To anyone else I'd say IDGAF, but I ain't got no beef with you.

Thanks for the heads up.

mooby
12-16-2020, 06:20 PM
I would be for that, absolutely. They moved up about 20 slots to get Sweat at 26 - cost them two 2nd round picks. If they somehow find their QB of the future in the second half of the 1st round, and only give up two 2nd rounders or 2022's 1st round pick...I'd be all in on that, providing we keep our 2021 1st round pick.

Exactly. In the scenario I'm implying, we either win the division and pick between 20-30 dep. how far we go. Or we lose the division and pick between 10-20.

In either scenario we'd trade 2022's first rounder to move up into the next 10 spots to draft a guy who's on the board. Ideally if we could give up 2 two's instead of a first, that'd be better.

AnonEmouse
12-16-2020, 06:59 PM
I'd say it might depend on FA. If we fill some gaps with solid not too expensive guys, then we can probably spare 1 or 2 picks in a trade. But if they are cautious and we still have holes, I'd be wary of trading away valuable picks for an unknown.

Number44
12-16-2020, 07:06 PM
I would be for that, absolutely. They moved up about 20 slots to get Sweat at 26 - cost them two 2nd round picks. If they somehow find their QB of the future in the second half of the 1st round, and only give up two 2nd rounders or 2022's 1st round pick...I'd be all in on that, providing we keep our 2021 1st round pick.

Actually, in the trade to move up to draft Sweat in 2019, one of the 2 second round picks you mentioned was the one we were moving up from. The actual "cost" of moving up the 20 or so spots for that pick was one second round pick - the 2020 one. If you are talking about giving up two seconds in addition to the first round pick we are moving up from to move up 10 or so spots, we'd better be damn sure about the guy we would be getting, IMO.

Chief X_Phackter
12-16-2020, 07:50 PM
Actually, in the trade to move up to draft Sweat in 2019, one of the 2 second round picks you mentioned was the one we were moving up from. The actual "cost" of moving up the 20 or so spots for that pick was one second round pick - the 2020 one. If you are talking about giving up two seconds in addition to the first round pick we are moving up from to move up 10 or so spots, we'd better be damn sure about the guy we would be getting, IMO.

They gave up pick # 46 (2nd round) from 2019, and pick # 34 (2nd round) from 2020. The cost to pick at #26 in 2019 was two 2nd round picks.

punch it in
12-16-2020, 08:20 PM
I'm no cap expert, but that just seems crazy given what Alex is still due. It would have to be a cheap Vet, and if it's a cheap Vet, is he really an upgrade? If it's not a cheap Vet then you are jeopardizing the opportunity to upgrade the positions around him in free agency, and you just take your chances in the draft. There are some decisions to be made ($$ to be spent) on the Oline and elsewhere.



Scherff and Roullier are both UFA this offseason, as well as Sundberg, Hopkins, KPL, Darby, Cam Sims, Reaves, Moreau, all the TEs except for Thomas. I wouldn't mind an upgrade at tackle since we don't know what we have in Charles. WR needs to be upgraded, and TE. This defense is good, but the back seven could use some upgrades/extensions... I just don't see how you tie up a bunch of additional $ in the QB position, and still improve the rest of the team, or even maintain what you have.



Im certainly no cap expert but Snyder will find a way to pay say Stafford or Rivers if he thinks we can seriously contend for a title next year. We have a few key guys injured coming back. We have the draft. I dont know how much of a splash in free agency we would need to make. Also RR will have a full pre season and a lot of our young guys are only going to get better.
That being said Im all for what Mooby alluded to which is trading down and giving up 2022’s first for a guy like Zach Wilson and then you can spend in free agency.
Problem is FA starts March so if all the vets get signed and we cant trade down in April well.....

Chief X_Phackter
12-16-2020, 08:22 PM
So what I meant by that is, if WFT can trade their 2020 2nd round pick and their 2021 2nd round pick to move back into the back end of the 1st round and find their QB of the future, I'd be just fine with that. I would not be fine with including the 2021 1st round pick.

Number44
12-16-2020, 08:22 PM
They gave up pick # 46 (2nd round) from 2019, and pick # 34 (2nd round) from 2020. The cost to pick at #26 in 2019 was two 2nd round picks.

Again, the #46 pick is the one they moved up from. It cost the 2020 2nd round pick to move up.

jamf
12-16-2020, 08:26 PM
I wholeheartedly agree, who you draft at qb is way more important than where you draft, and you can't just go picking a qb if you're gonna ignore all the red flags in hopes that you can be the team that straightens them out.


I disagree. I hate to oversimplify but I would rather have the first pick of QBs.

The first two QBs drafted are typically the best in that draft class.
Russell Wilson and Tom Brady are exceptions.

Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were horrible first round picks but that draft had zero QB talent. Brady Quinn was best of that draft class.

If a talented QB is there, you gotta taken him or you end up drafting Carlos Rogers instead of Aaron Rodgers(2nd QB drafted behind Alex Smith).

There isn't a young successful QB playing right now that was drafted outside of the first round or second round.
Getting a guy like Herbert, Murray, or Josh Allen is the quickest way to turn around a franchise.

Drafting a QB is only a piece of the puzzle.
You have draft the guy who can play in your system and develop him.

Can't pass on a QB if you need one.

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