Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

I am torn. I think Brunell gives the team a better chance to win in Dallas, but I also don't think Ramsey did enough to lose the starting job in a little over a quarter of football...

That said, I think I would start brunell...it's about wins and losses in pro football not about whats fair to Pat...

I'm torn also. I think that Dallas's defense is VERY easy to beat. Brunell thus far, has shown he is extremely accurate with short and intermediate passes while Ramsey can hit the deep ball or at least draw some PI calls. Basically, it's a pick your poison type of choice. I think that as long as we keep the turnovers down, we have a very good shot at this game.

As Gibbs has stressed time and time again, turnovers are the key. Score minus turnovers/bonehead (or BS) penalties: 16-0.

I'm surprised we're actually talking about a qb change this early.

IMO Gibbs should continue to let Ramsey start but keep him on a short leash. He did get decent yardage for only 1 1/2 quarters of play, but his interception and two fumbles are unacceptable (guess you can't blame him for the one since Briggs should've been called for a clothesline). If he can avoid turnovers and continue to move the offense effectively, he deserves to start. It would be rotten to demote the guy for getting injured. Brunell was decent, and I'm confident with him as a backup, but he didn't exactly put up a lot of points. If Ramsey falters badly in the next three games, then we should go to Brunell.

True it is not what is completely fair to Pat (though Gibbs should keep his word). Though in addition, in response to who gives the Redskins the best chance to win, overall Pat has a better record than Brunell in that catagory over the past season.

I'm with you, I want Ramsey to play and be successful, but the proof is right there, he played 3 series and threw 1 INT and fumbled twice.

I really can't blame Gibbs if he doesn't have 100% confidence in him right now, how can you?

With this defense and running game, the last thing we need is the QB turning it over.

Like it or not, this is the kind of team we are, we're going to win by running the ball and playing hard nosed defense.

Perhaps Brunell is the exact kind of QB we need right now. I don't understand all the hate people still have for him. He played well in the preseason and he was efficient again today. Nothing spectacular, but he didn't turn it over and he converted on some key 3rd downs to keep drives moving.



I do like it. Unfortunately, so do 31 defenses in the NFL. So unless we plan to run the wing T like Navy, they are going to stop the run.

Ramsey deserves the start if healthy. I'm not convinced that the receiver didn't partially cause his interception by going outside instead of in. In addition, Ramsey made some nice throws. His arm is much stronger than Brunell. He should be afforded more than a quarter of football prior to losing his job.

Way too early for a QB controversy, especially when both are mediocre QBs anyway. Stick with Ramsey.

"He hurt his neck," Gibbs said. "For me, I personally felt like Mark got in there, looked pretty smooth and looked good. I felt like I could stay with Mark."

This quote from Redskins.com and Gibbs post game comments, tells me that Gibbs realized early in the game that it would be a low scoring "dog-fight" and he had seen enough out of Ramsey with the turnovers to keep him out of the game. Especially if the trainers were telling him Ramsey might be dizzy, had a concussion (my thoughts at the time) or whatever. My thoughts are that Ramsey will be benched this week. The team will say it is a precaution to his injury or whatever other excuse they want to use. It is sad because I think most of us here want so badly to see Ramsey succeed, but he is just not doing it. Or even separating himself from Brunell for that matter. It is a shame, because I think without Ramsey in against Dallas, we have no shot at winning next Monday. I can stomach a few of Ramsey's turnovers because our defense is so good. Brunell is just inept, and that is much harder for me to watch.

Here's the telling stat that gives a healthy Ramsey another start:

Mark Brunell yards per attempt: 5.00

Patrick Ramsey yards per attempt: 9.55

If stretching out the field is what you intend to do - and the acquisition of speed receivers coupled with a desire to run outside says that it is - you go with the guy that threatens to stretch the field, not with the guy who averages nearly half his yards.