Where are the apologies?

offiss - I hear ya...but enough of the negativity, at least for this week. Let us not bash. Let us hope that the real Brunell was the QB we saw leading the miracle, and making the 25 yard scamper on 3 and a mile, and then unleashing lightening on the Cowbumz.

Brunell is 35 the odds are not very good of him making it through the whole season unscathed. I am sure the six sacks, and horseshit horse collar from Roy Williams did not help either. So much for the Roy Williams rule, but I digress.

Ramsey will probably get back into a game, channel your faith and belief in him into hoping that when he gets his next opportunity he becomes the next Tom Brady. Not saying it is going to happen but have some faith, not just in Ramsey but the Burgundy and Gold.

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts offiss, but you make some good poitns in this arguement. I think we can all agree that they both have flaws and its all about Risk vs. reward when dealing with Brunnell and Ramsey...

Hopefully this discussion ends more and more as Mr. Campbell continues to learn to be better than both

Well just to be clear, I think Brunell did at least earn a shot with the win. I agree he did look like hell for most of the game with the blindside sacks and fumble and int, but he did make 2 huge plays in a clutch situation, which is something we havent seen around here in a while. Do I still wish Ramsey was the starter... yup, I wish he would've never been benched after the first 20something mins. Who knows, he could've played comeback there too and thrown for some bombs. We'll never know because he never got the shot. I do remember seeing him throw a few bombs in 2003 to Coles, Gardner and McCants, but that was the past and right now Marks in there and we're gonna see where he takes us. I'm just gonna be pissed if he gets another long (losing)leash like last year (although I'm still not gonna demand apologies from the brunell guys)

All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways.

you shouldn't feel the need to apologize for your views 'Bagz, especially when the stats backed you up in every category. Monday night was great, but it didn't change the facts as Offiss so clearly pointed out. that said, we should rally behind whoever is leading our offense, there's enough uncertainty there already.

??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree!


I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...

I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...

If Ramsey would've run them over why not move him to running back if he's that good? There's no way of telling what Ramsey would've done. Brunell did what he did, and he won, lets leave it at that.

There's no way of telling what Ramsey would've done. Brunell did what he did, and he won, lets leave it at that.

I agree....besides we all know that had it been Jason Campbell, he would have direct snapped to himself, moonwalked 70 yards untouched into the endzone, then kicked the extra point off the wrong foot. :thumb:

I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...


I like it!

I was going to raise that very game myself but as you can see it's kind of a moot point by now, but the game you are refering to was the opener against the Jets under Spurrier, Ramsey had a big 3rd down conversion run to the left and was pulling away from LB Sam Coward, and at the time many of us were saying although he's not a scrambler persay he does have enough speed to be adequete when the situation presents itself, he's not Brunell in his prime, but he can make a play with his legs, but because he would rather sit in the pocket and make a play throwing, rather than taking off at the first hint of pressure, he get's labled as an immobile QB, he will never be vick, but he has enough to be effecient.

Ramsey would have run over someone??

C'mon now, this weird fascination with Ramsey has got to stop!

This debate is getting real old.