Where are the apologies?

i did apologize once in the game thread, but i'm definitely not sold on brunell yet.

4 minutes of good playing is not even close to enough

I just got home from a trip - - had to watch the game in a hotel bar last night. I fully expected to see at least three or four threads in here full of apologies from people who had accused Joe Gibbs of being a lying weasel and a backstabbing ne'er-do-well, but I can't seem to find them. OK, you may still not like the way he handled the situation, but he got it right.

Maybe it's my browser that can't find the threads here that would try to explain that Patrick Ramsey would not have made that 25 yard scramble in the 4th quarter because had he started then, he'd still be running to make it to the full 25 yards.

So, let me say it explicitly:

Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one.

Joe Gibbs is not infallible but he appears to know just a tad more about QBs than the "Patrick Ramsey Fan Cub" officers.

Thank you for yet another gracious post. :biggthump Did I ever claim to know more than Gibbs about football or QBs in general? No. Will I give him a blank check to do whatever he thinks is right and praise the moves regardless of what I think? No.

Last night, after 56 minutes of dreadful play, I said that I would give both Brunell and Gibbs some credit. I still do not agree with the switch, but I am willing to admit that it is possible that I could be wrong. I also am willing to give them a pass because I wanted to beat the Cowboys more than anything. And, in the end, we won the game. It wasn't a pretty win. Our offense looked dreadful for most of the game, but we won and that is all that matters.

**This in no way means that I'm rooting for Brunell to fail. I want the Redskins to win, and if Brunell is the starter, then he damn well better perform like one. Same goes equally for Ramsey or Campbell. That also means Gibbs has to call more shots like he did in the last 4 minutes of Monday's win.

As that game will tell you-- as if it isn't obvious-- it takes good playcalling AND good execution to win a football game. The Skins are lucky it only took about four minutes worth to beat the Cowboys.

Isn't it interesting how those of us who believe that Ramsey is our team's best bet need to constantly remind people that we are Redskins fans? People act as though we are Ramsey fans simply because we love who Ramsey is and not what he can do for our team.

I really am not looking for an apology. I'm looking for a couple of daredevils to just jump off the Ramsey bandwagon and hop on the winning train because the next stop is Landover, MD and Seahawks are standing in the way. I don't care who does them in, as long as we win.

What I don't understand about the Ramsey apologists is this: How can they say this decision was made quickly? Ramsey has never shown anything. He is entering his 4th year, and he has shown no signs of improvement. He wasn't good for Gibbs last year. He stunk up the joint in preseason, and he was outplayed by Brunell then. Ramsey did nothing to earn the job.

I'm not saying that Brunell is 'the answer' at this point. But, Patrick has done nothing to show that he deserves to be a starting QB in this league.

Seems to me that Gibbs felt Ramsey was good enough last year to earn the starting job. He did, after all, name him the starter after seeing him improve over the course of the last few games (some of which were actually victories, believe it or not) last season.

Hmmm... are you questioning Gibbs's judgement? Seems awfully "un-Redskins Fan-like" of you. Maybe you should apologize to all of us for questioning what Gibbs ever saw in Ramsey to make him bench Mark Brunell and-- gasp!-- name Ramsey the 2005 starter. [/sarcasm]

Sorry. That statement was made in light of how ridiculous this "Holy Crusade of the Brunell Backers" has become.

Simply because people disagree with Gibbs's decision to start Brunell doesn't mean they're not Redskins fans. It doesn't mean they're Gibbs-haters or even Brunell-haters. It doesn't make them "Ramsey apologists," either. It simply means they have a different perspective on what's best for this team-- this team that they love and live and die for every bit as much as anyone else on this board.

There are those of us who prefer Brunell's cautious, conservative approach to "game management", and there are those of us who prefer Ramsey's youthful (if unrefined and sometimes ill-advised) aggressiveness. Both players-- because of their respective and numerous flaws-- have lost more games than they've won for this team, and neither have proven they're 'the answer'.

With the disparity in age of the two quarterbacks in this debate, perhaps the better question is, if Gibbs's decision wasn't made quickly, would it have been made at all?

Perhaps we'll never know.

I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.

Agreed. I'll defintely give Gibbs more props as a coach though, as far as how hard the guys play for him. If that were any other coach we've had in Washingotn, we would have packed it in, for sure. I still think our playcalling was a little suspect, but it is what it is. I'm not annoynting Brunell as anything other than another unproven guy at this point.

We won the game. We Beat the Cowboys in Dallas for the first time in 10 years and on the night they inducted they're big 3 into their hall of fame. Can we all just remember that and enjoy it?

I'm tired of all the negativity.

apologies? are you kidding? the offense was EXACTLY what i expected, to the letter. lifeless and inadequate. I was planning on holding back for longer, for the sake of an awesome win, but people insist.

those passes were an act of complete desperation that were NOT in Joe Gibbs' gameplan. there i said it, try and tell me different.

if not for Santana's until then completely overlooked and untapped talent, we would be right back in 2004. thank god the team didn't get discouraged.

Ramsey had been throwing to Santana and Cooley all off-season, and yes at the risk of more INTs, we would have seen more than ZERO points halfway into the fourth quarter.


Way to nail ill!!!!!!!!!!!

This garbage that all of sudden Brunell is a big time QB again is just that garbage, in almost 2 games he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play, in fact you can probably encorperate last season and find that after last years
Dallas game he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play period.


Why did he have to bail himself out with 2 hail mary passes? I will tell you why he stunk for 56 minutes of the game, and if it weren't for Dallas's absolute disbelief in Brunells ability to throw a deep ball we would have been shut out, Brunell was exactly 4 minutes from being shut out and another press confrence of Gibbs telling us how he fought his gut's out too a tune of zero points, I to refrained from the reality of the situation to allow the enjoyment of a victory, but, IF YOU INSIST.

I seriously doubt we are being shut out if Ramsey is starting, I also don't like the super bowl celebration after words IT WAS THE SECOND GAME OF THE YEAR, against a team we are more talented than, have we sunk so low that we now have Gibbs saying that this game was the biggest of his life? PALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!

We won the game. We Beat the Cowboys in Dallas for the first time in 10 years and on the night they inducted they're big 3 into their hall of fame. Can we all just remember that and enjoy it?

I'm tired of all the negativity.

AGREED. the Skins get a well deserved bye after a truly historic win *in spite* of their limitations. let's at least get a week of peace savoring in that before we start poking at what those (quite obvious) limitations are. we have next week for that.

AGREED. the Skins get a well deserved bye after a truly historic win *in spite* of their limitations. let's at least get a week of peace savoring in that before we start poking at what those (quite obvious) limitations are. we have next week for that.



Agreed! :food-smil