Free Agent DE's

psu can you name one good d lineman that has come out of p state in the last 20 years?i didnt think so.without the 4 sacks against ohio st(i think)what would mr hali stats look like.he had a career game against them and i for one am not ready to draft someone that the skins need to make an impact pronto on one good game.wheres dave butz when you need him?(i know,im showing my age)

once again you are wrong....he had 4 sacks against wisconsin great game,
vs. osu he just had the game winning play when he sacked troy smith and caused him to fumble

...for the season he had 62 tackles, 17 for a loss, 11 sacks (even without the 4 vs. wisconsin he had 7) and a forced fumble. If you watch any PSU football you would know he was constantly in the backfield in a conference known for their lineman.

its hard being wrong all the time but from past experince i know its impossible to have an intelligent conversation about a penn state player with a penn state fan.somehow you penn st fans will have a conspiracy theory about the bcs and why the nittany lions arent in the championship game

that greenbay guy someone mentioned earlier...sounded like a good idea...

I like the idea of investing in guys who show lalot of promise but have not yet established themselves as stars in the league...cause that is where you can get great deals...

That is what happend with marcus washington...we invested in a good emerging player...gave him a reasonable contract...and it is in washington...that he truely blossomed and turned into a prowbowler.

That being said...i also dont understand where all this "trade Patrick Ramsey for John Abraham" talk came from. If Abraham is going to be a free agent after the year...and as someone said the Jets are heinously over next years Cap....then they wont be able to afford to Franchise Abraham anyway...and he will hit the free agent market. Then we could just sign him (to an expensive contract) without having to give up Ramsey...

Im not saying we should do it...cause again i would prefer getting someone who is emerging...who at the very least would be solid and inexpensive...then having to take on a monster contract...

But im just trying to understand where all this trade Patrcik Ramsey for John Abraham talk is coming from???

its hard being wrong all the time but from past experince i know its impossible to have an intelligent conversation about a penn state player with a penn state fan.somehow you penn st fans will have a conspiracy theory about the bcs and why the nittany lions arent in the championship game

Seriously, what the F#*K is your problem? Please offer some support for a comment like that (and please note that this is a different PSU Skins fan). The reason PSU isn't in the championship game is because they lost a game. Period. That's not too tough to figure out. As for the BCS, while I would support a playoff format, the BCS system actually favors PSU this year. It's the reason PSU is #3 and not #4. It's also the reason PSU would play in the championship game if Texas lost........because the computer polls love PSU this year. So PLEASE, show me some support for the abundantly ignorant comment you made.

As for PSU D-linemen, I hesitate to even address such a nonsensical argument because an attitude like that would have never seen the drafting of Jerry Rice (after all, who was the last great WR to come out of Mississippi Valley State?), Andre Reed (after all, who was the last great WR to come out of Kutztown University?), Randy Moss (Marshall), Brett Favre (Southern Miss), Ladanian Tomlinson (TCU), Dwight Freeney (Syracuse), Larry Johnson (PSU.....all PSU RBs are busts right? Ooops, guess not). Want me to continue? I can if you haven't caught on yet. Nevertheless Anthony Adams and Jimmy Kennedy are currently both starting D-linemen for their respective teams, and either one of them would represent an improvement over our #2 DT.

All of that being said, do you think the reason you feel it's impossible for you to "have an intelligent conversation about a penn state player with a penn state fan" is more about you than it is about the person you are having a conversation with?

no ,i didnt want an arguement,but my thinking is why draft a player that is obviously having a career year and then be surprised by what you get(i.e see mike mumala)we need someone who can come in an make an impact,the closest thing to a sure thing.im no sure if that person is out there.as far as larry johnson.a tremendous talent that just so happens to like to beat up his wife.dont think coach gibbs would approve.the bcs is a joke,i agree with you.a playoff is definitey needed.as far as me being the problem,youre probably right,i live in the heart of penn state country and after being bombarded with penn state all the time,i might be alittle cranky about psu.sorry if i offended

This is slightly random (and Im looking real hard for the silver lining here)...but it will be kind of nice to not have to spend money on a first round pick this year and be able to put it into quality free agents. I am often wary of paying top dollar for D-line prospects in the draft...seems like the second biggest risk after QB.

This is slightly random (and Im looking real hard for the silver lining here)...but it will be kind of nice to not have to spend money on a first round pick this year and be able to put it into quality free agents. I am often wary of paying top dollar for D-line prospects in the draft...seems like the second biggest risk after QB.

DL should be available in free agency in bulk this year (like CBs last year)... lets just hope we can get something.

as far as larry johnson.a tremendous talent that just so happens to like to beat up his wife.dont think coach gibbs would approve.

Minor and insignificant point: Larry Johnson allegedly shoved a girlfriend at a bar. He's not married, and he's not even been accused of "beating" anyone up.

And given that Sean Taylor is still welcomed on the team, I don't see how L.J. couldn't also survive on the Skins under Gibbs.

lighten up psu,it was a joke