So, how are we doing compared to last year? Here is what the numbers say...

Oh come on guys, we have won two close games we didn't last year. It's luck of the draw, but look at how many turnovers we had all of last year (27) and thus far this year (21) and the progress you see dissipates.

You realize that means we are on pace for just 28 turnovers this year, right? That's not really a compelling argument.

I don't understand your point about winning two more games this year not meaning anything.

it's definitely progress. unfortunately these thing take time don't they? it's not like we're even out of it yet!!! and if we barely miss the playoffs, we'll definitely be in next year.

Oh come on guys, we have won two close games we didn't last year. It's luck of the draw, but look at how many turnovers we had all of last year (27) and thus far this year (21) and the progress you see dissipates.

I wasn't aware progress was simply measured by the number of turnovers. I agree that turnovers and mistakes are still very much an area for further improvement, but I just don't see how that can justify saying no progress has been made from last year to this year.

My point is this team is still making the same mistakes as last year and as such they haven't truly progressed. I guess we differ in that I would call 8-4 progress (achievable if it weren't for critical turnovers) where as 6-6 is just a romance comedy with some tragedy here and there.

My point is this team is still making the same mistakes as last year and as such they haven't truly progressed. I guess we differ in that I would call 8-4 progress (achievable if it weren't for critical turnovers) where as 6-6 is just a romance comedy with some tragedy here and there.
What a load! Are you honestly telling me that you think this team isn't any better than last year? Do you actually watch the games?

My point is this team is still making the same mistakes as last year and as such they haven't truly progressed. I guess we differ in that I would call 8-4 progress (achievable if it weren't for critical turnovers) where as 6-6 is just a romance comedy with some tragedy here and there.



Just my opinion, last year, we were lucky win what we did. This year, our opponents are lucky. Next year, they won't be! It's how you build a team

My point is this team is still making the same mistakes as last year and as such they haven't truly progressed. I guess we differ in that I would call 8-4 progress (achievable if it weren't for critical turnovers) where as 6-6 is just a romance comedy with some tragedy here and there.

6-6 is progress....8-4 is a complete turn around.

They are moving the ball alright but would you call 2 more points per game better? Give me a break. This team isn't really that different from last year. Sure the ball gets moved quite a bit but when you turn it over it's all for null.

Here is how our team is different: WE HAVE SANTANA MOSS. That is the difference, and it's a big one. Jon Jansen instead of Ray Brown I'd say is an upgrade as well.

They are moving the ball alright but would you call 2 more points per game better? Give me a break. This team isn't really that different from last year. Sure the ball gets moved quite a bit but when you turn it over it's all for null.

Its alot different!! The Off is better the D is worse. Were playing a harder schedule and were 6-6.... Look at the numbers from the earlier posts.