Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

You don't bench your starter after one bad game.

You might want to check that, because I don't think everyone felt that way.

Offiss is saying at this point in their careers, Ramsey is the better QB. I'm saying based on what? Their on field performances? How? Brunell has clearly put up better numbers than Ramsey and he is clearly the more proven QB. That's not even debateable. If you compare what they've done on the field, I don't see how anyone can say Patrick Ramsey is a better QB than Mark Brunell, unless you're just biased. In that case, fine, but at least admit it.

Youre right, I was the lone descenter.

How can anyone compare MB and PR's careers? PR actually has to play more than a few games to have a career.

I'll I'm asking for is a logical rationale based on some sort of facts as to how Ramsey is a better QB than Brunell.

Let me start by saying I'm no longer a Ramsey-devotee - I don't think Brunell is the next Peyton Manning, but he manages to get the job done more often than not.

I think what people like about Ramsey is the spark of "brilliance" he would show at times. Most games Ramsey would have a couple of beautiful, laser-like passes drilling a receiver on a post or something. The reason fans love this is because it reminds us of the highlight reels of Manning or Kurt Warner (in his prime.) People love watching this and it gets everyone excited - the explosiveness is what the fans remember.

Unfortunately people forget that Ramsey would just as often toss the ball to the other team, cough it up when he got hit, and was generally as nimble as a tank. Ramsey could be absolutely fantastic one play, and utterly atrocious the next. I think alot of people tend to focus on those brilliant moments and forget the bad for some reason.

Brunell on the other hand is pretty unexciting as a QB. He dumps it off underneath alot, plays it safe and tosses it away, and only on occasion goes deep. He's a much more safe, efficient QB than he is exciting or prone to lighting up the highlight reel.

I think Ramsey is definitely not the answer - he's too inconsistent. Brunell COULD work, it doesn't take a Manning to get to the Super Bowl. The Bucs did it with Brad Johnson playing mistake-free football. Ravens did the same thing. Heck, Minnesota and Chicago both currently have QBs who do little more than "not screw up" and they had amazing sucess recently.

The QB isn't the team in one position - obviously the ideal situation is someone like Manning, electrifying, smart and efficient. Occasionally you have to take the cards your dealt though, as a Peyton Manning isn't easy to find.

The final result is that there are a variety of ways to win a championship, there's no magic bullet or solution at the QB position.

Just my take on Ramsey, having been a strong supporter of his for a while but having come to my senses recently.

You don't bench your starter after one bad game.
Tell that to Ramsey ...and he wasn't even having a bad game...and Brunell has had a few bad games this year several last year and really mostly commonly average games

Everybody on this site thought PR was the best QB back in Sept.
I still firmly belive he still is....

Tell that to Ramsey ...and he wasn't even having a bad game...and Brunell has had a few bad games this year several last year and really mostly commonly average games

For whatever reason JG never had confidence in PR (in spite of what he said to the public) and for whatever reason he has confidence in MB thats why he lets MB keep playing even when he has bad games. Its all about confidence.

Enough allready!! :insane: Brunell is the MAN for the rest of the season. Like he should be! He is the best Q.B on the team. Get over it! :duel:

Tell that to Ramsey ...and he wasn't even having a bad game...and Brunell has had a few bad games this year several last year and really mostly commonly average games

Dude he had 2 fumbles and an INT in half a game of work, not a bad game? a 49 QB rating?

Funny how your bring up last year for Brunell, but only mention this year for Ramsey.

As for Brunell he's posted a QB rating of 90 or better 6 times this year. 3 of those were over 100. Unless you're Payton Manning, those are better than commonly average games.

I'll say it again, "Brunell should remain the starter until we are 100% out of the playoff hunt." Moreover, he's played well this season. But, it is disconcerting that he hasn't thrown for over 200 yards in the last four games and hasn't thrown for over 250 yards in the last 8 games. While we don't have to have Peyton Manning numbers withour passing attack, it would sure make our running game look better if we had a decent passing offense.

Everybody on this site thought PR was the best QB back in Sept.


Incorrect statement. If you had stated prior to preseason, that would be true. However, seeing both quarterbacks' performances in preseason, I came to the conclusion that Mark Brunell should be starting and not Ramsey.