Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

Tell that to Ramsey ...and he wasn't even having a bad game...and Brunell has had a few bad games this year several last year and really mostly commonly average games


Please go back and watch that game again.

You might want to check that, because I don't think everyone felt that way.

Offiss is saying at this point in their careers, Ramsey is the better QB. I'm saying based on what? Their on field performances? How? Brunell has clearly put up better numbers than Ramsey and he is clearly the more proven QB. That's not even debateable. If you compare what they've done on the field, I don't see how anyone can say Patrick Ramsey is a better QB than Mark Brunell, unless you're just biased. In that case, fine, but at least admit it.


That is my opinion, although I do base a lot of that on what I saw last season when both played under the same conditions, where Ramsey clearly outplayed the seasoned veteran in Brunell, obviously we have nothing to base it on this season as Ramsey hasen't been given a chance to show whether or not he can play in this offense.

But in all do respect Matty, you were on the Ramsey bandwagon last season as well, and I wonder how you based your conclusion last season, as well as through training camp, and up until Gibbs decieded to change QB's?


In all likelyhood we will mis the playoff's for the second year in a row, would anyone be willing to say if Gibbs came out and said when he first took over that we are trading for Brunell, and we will be out of the playoffs for the first 2 years of his tenure, would then support the trade for Brunell? I doubt it, I believe most would say if this is a 3 year project then allow Patrick to play and develope and see where we are at the end of the first year, because Brunell will be over the hill by the time we are a playoff team, and Ramsey if he is the goods will be in his prime, instead we have an ageing QB who again has us looking for a lot of help to squeek into the playoffs.

If some want to argue that regardless Brunell would have outplayed Ramsey? OK, but we will never really know because he wasen't given a legitamate chance to prove otherwise, now we are 2 years down the road, Brunell's on his way out, and we still don't really know for sure what we have in Ramsey, seems like a major waste of time, and money, but that's just my opinion.

Incorrect statement. If you had stated prior to preseason, that would be true. However, seeing both quarterbacks' performances in preseason, I came to the conclusion that Mark Brunell should be starting and not Ramsey.

I predicted in the preseason that PR would not be the starter in week 4 and was incorrect by 3 games. Everyone told me I was nuts because Gibbs said PR was his man.

There is no way the team will or should change QBs.

I predicted in the preseason that PR would not be the starter in week 4 and was incorrect by 3 games. Everyone told me I was nuts because Gibbs said PR was his man.

There is no way the team will or should change QBs.

I think you're talking about this thread (http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7373&page=1&pp=10) Yours is post #36. Yeah you called it, but I don't see that anyone even responded to your post, let alone said you were nuts.

I predicted in the preseason that PR would not be the starter in week 4 and was incorrect by 3 games. Everyone told me I was nuts because Gibbs said PR was his man.

There is no way the team will or should change QBs.

Well, one throws out enough predictions, they'll eventually get one or two right. If I were to predict how the quarterback situation is going to turn out in the near future, it will probably be us trading Ramsey (hopefully to help out on the defensive line) and getting a decent seasoned veteran to be #2. I don't suspect Jason Campbell to be thrown into the #2 position in his second year under Gibbs. For some reason, I see us getting Kurt Warner to be the #2 qb, because he has playoff and Super Bowl experience, and he probably wouldn't be terribly expensive at this point. Gibbs and his coaching staff likes to bring his young quarterbacks along slowly, which is fine by me as long as the finished product is everything we hope them to be.

Concerning the argument with Brunell and Ramsey (which is going to turn into the never ending argument like the Iraqi war,) I'm not sure why people are making such a big issue about it. Those who want to burn Brunell at the stake want to avoid the fact that we have two starting receivers out of the lineup. If we throw Ramsey in there, then people are going to say that Ramsey wasn't given a far shot because he only has one receiver to throw to.

Fans have no confidence in this franchise anymore. Most find joy in looking for things to be upset about. They ignore the fact that we're 7-6 and in the hunt for the playoffs. That is alot more than what we have had in the past 13 years, except for 1999.

We need to stick with the one who brung us (Brunell). That said, I hope he picks up his game. He's thrown only 4 TDs in the past 7 weeks.

I think you're talking about this thread (http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7373&page=1&pp=10) Yours is post #36. Yeah you called it, but I don't see that anyone even responded to your post, let alone said you were nuts.


LOL!!!! PWNED!!!

That is my opinion, although I do base a lot of that on what I saw last season when both played under the same conditions, where Ramsey clearly outplayed the seasoned veteran in Brunell, obviously we have nothing to base it on this season as Ramsey hasen't been given a chance to show whether or not he can play in this offense.

But in all do respect Matty, you were on the Ramsey bandwagon last season as well, and I wonder how you based your conclusion last season, as well as through training camp, and up until Gibbs decieded to change QB's?


In all likelyhood we will mis the playoff's for the second year in a row, would anyone be willing to say if Gibbs came out and said when he first took over that we are trading for Brunell, and we will be out of the playoffs for the first 2 years of his tenure, would then support the trade for Brunell? I doubt it, I believe most would say if this is a 3 year project then allow Patrick to play and develope and see where we are at the end of the first year, because Brunell will be over the hill by the time we are a playoff team, and Ramsey if he is the goods will be in his prime, instead we have an ageing QB who again has us looking for a lot of help to squeek into the playoffs.

If some want to argue that regardless Brunell would have outplayed Ramsey? OK, but we will never really know because he wasen't given a legitamate chance to prove otherwise, now we are 2 years down the road, Brunell's on his way out, and we still don't really know for sure what we have in Ramsey, seems like a major waste of time, and money, but that's just my opinion.

I'm tired of talking about what could have been with Ramsey and hypotheticals, let's talk about facts and the facts say Brunell is the better and more proven QB. Ramsey has shown nothing in his career to indicate he would be having a similar or better season than Brunell is having. However, looking at Brunell's career it's not a huge surprise. The guy has been there, done that.

Regarding last year yes I supported the decision to play Ramsey and I supported it during the preseason. But I also defended Brunell along the way when the majority of people here thought he was all washed up.

As I've said before, I'm not choosing sides here, I support and stand behind Gibbs' decision making more than anything. If Brunell went down and Ramsey came in this week I'd be 100% behind Ramsey just as I'm behind Brunell right now.

LOL!!!! PWNED!!!

Tafkas is the king of pwning people by digging up old threads.

Be careful of what you say around here, it's right there in print waiting to be found by Tafkas, LOL.

Tafkas is the king of pwning people by digging up old threads.

Be careful of what you say around here, it's right there in print waiting to be found by Tafkas, LOL.


LOL!!! Must be something only mods and admins can do, I haven't been able to look up old threads. Of course I don't have time to do so at work. (I'm always nervous when people walk past my door! Could be the boss, LOL!!!)