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if Gibbs won sb in this era, it can be verified that he is better the beilichick

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I'm torn on the Belichick vs Gibbs thing. Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks and 3 different running backs, but Belichick did it at a time when it wasn't supposed to be done. You're not supposed to be able to have dynasties at this time and the Patriots certainly became one. Hard to call.[/QUOTE]

We always hear this, that the system as it's set up now is not designed to sustain dynasties. But while the rules have changed, the smartest, craftiest, and luckiest coaches and organizations will always adapt -- and a few teams have already found ways to do it. The Patriots, Eagles, Colts, maybe the Broncos ... it's all about who's the quickest to adjust to the new rules of the league and the salary cap and take advantage of it.

While the salary cap has given the NFL a complete makeover from the "legacy teams" of the 80's, it still hasn't really demolished the concept of dynasties today. Instead of the 49ers, Redskins, Bills, and Cowboys of the 80's and early 90's, there are just different teams doing it.

In short, the rules are different, but the results are the same.

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wait until next year

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[QUOTE=jdlea]As for Gibbs, no shot at him, but wasn't the team with Rypien and Byner pretty much intact the next season? I don't remember cause I'm too damn young.[/QUOTE]

Injuries and age began to take their toll on the Redskins after the '91 championship season. That, along with the fact that Dallas was able to hoard young talent seemingly out of nowhere -- and they absolutely dominated from 1992 -1995.

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You know whats funny is that if the Patriots had won the Super Bowl when Parcells was their coach then The Tuna would have become the second coach ever to win 3 Super Bowls w/ 3 different QB's. Instead he has to settle for 2.

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It will be interesting to see where Belichuk stands in ten years. It may turn out that Brady was the real difference with them.

These guys stand apart to me:

1. Chuck Noll because as we all now know his quarterback was a mental defective.

2. Bill Parcells because as we all now know his quarterback was a mental defective. (I'm not talking about Hostetler either)

3. Joe Gibbs becuase he did it with three quarterbacks who don't even get a sniff of a mention for the Hall.

4. Tom Flores on the basis of his SB 18 upset. He had his teams ready to play both times he got the chance in the Big Game.

5. Hank Stram for shamelessly hamming it up for the NFL Films microphones in Super Bowl 4.

6.Don McCafferty (For managing to avoid the notoriety that usually goes with winning the Big One.)

7. Weeb Ewbank for having a first half of the 20th century coach's name.

8. Marv Levy for coining the phrase "over-officious jerk"

9. Tie: Red Miller, Ray Malavasi, and John Rauch ( see McCafferty, Don #6 above)

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I find it difficult to argue with being below Belicheck or Noll. Personally, I'd rate Gibbs over Belicheck, but the free agency era makes it difficult to keep excellence together, and Belicheck has done that.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Injuries and age began to take their toll on the Redskins after the '91 championship season. That, along with the fact that Dallas was able to hoard young talent seemingly out of nowhere -- and they absolutely dominated from 1992 -1995.[/QUOTE]

they made the trade and ended up turning it into over 20 draft picks. It wasn't out of nowhere, they took advantage of a really really really stupid front office.

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I'd have to put lombardi up first. He forced expectations for coaches way up and helped make the league more competitive. Then knoll i guess, besides the mental defect at QB, he also had the ONLY superbowl team to win with 100% homegrown players (not a single one played on any other team besides the steelers)... before free agency it was easier to do that of course, but since 1979 (78?) no one else has done it.

belichick and gibbs and parcells are all pretty close, but i got to go gibbs, parcells, belichick (cause he has the best QB out of all of them). Then Walsh for winning a billion games (he had the talent though). Johnson for winning a billion games (loaded team too), and then I like stram too cause he hammed it up really well and i still laugh when they replay that.

so there's 8, after that it falls off a bit. shannahan i guess gets an honorable mention, but there's a lot of talk of winning dirty (paying players under the table to lower their salarie and make cap room, the massive cut blocking, etc).

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[QUOTE=saden1]1. Walsh
2. Noll
3. Gibbs
4. Belichick
5. Lombardi
6. Parcells
7. Johnson

Once Gibbs wins another SB he'll be at the top of the list, for a long long time. :biggthump[/QUOTE]

Honeslty, if Gibbs wins another Super Bowl, he might be the greatest head coach of all time.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but if Holmgren wins another one he'd be the first to win with two different teams. He may have to be figured into the debate if that happens.

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No way Lombardi is behind Johnson.

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i would put gibbs number 2 chuck noll i think is over rated but billechiek should be there

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i completely agree with the statement that another super bowl makes him the greatest of all time. 4 different QBs, 2 different eras, etc. As it stands though i'd put belichek over gibbs for now just because it's harder to maintain that continuity and keep your core players. i mean didn't the NFC playoffs have a grand total of 0 teams that were in the playoffs last year? i don't remember exactly but i think so. so these days to win 3 in 4 yrs is pretty damn good.

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gibbs vs belichick........

gibbs has three bill has three so they are tied there but gibbs like everybody else has won with three different QB,s.the difference to me is gibbs has won three nascar titles while bill was winning with the patriots.
to bill,s credit he has done a damn good job with new england to say the least.

i would say gibbs by a slim margin.